re: Why Saban Outrecruits Everyone: Pulled an offer on a kid yesterday

Here is how it shakes out comparing to Miles and Miller:

Kiel committed and wanted to enroll early. Miller who had already moved to BR was told to wait from January(1) to August(8). The parentheses indicate the month number. He decided he wanted to play early elsewhere instead of waiting 8 months. That's it. Game over. Miles made room and respected his scholarship for later when somewhere better came.

Philon who was injured was told that he would have to greyshirt (which for everyone in here talking out their arse, it steal means he has a GD scholarship. It wasn't pulled). He was told to wait from August (8) to Jan (1). For all those bad with calendars, that's 5 months. He would still have his scholarship. He would be given the same amount of opportunity to play. Better players came along, yes. It influenced the decision to greyshirt him, yes.

But the same thing happened at LSU. So to quote someone else in this thread- QUIT TALKING OUT OF YOUR arse.

Carswell and Love were backcounted to their original class of 2010. They were grayshirted because the 85 rule we could not get under that year. That is why we did not sign 25 in 2011.

Here is how it shakes out comparing to Miles and Miller:

Kiel committed and wanted to enroll early. Miller who had already moved to BR was told to wait from January(1) to August(8). The parentheses indicate the month number. He decided he wanted to play early elsewhere instead of waiting 8 months. That's it. Game over. Miles made room and respected his scholarship for later when somewhere better came.

Philon who was injured was told that he would have to greyshirt (which for everyone in here talking out their arse, it steal means he has a GD scholarship. It wasn't pulled). He was told to wait from August (8) to Jan (1). For all those bad with calendars, that's 5 months. He would still have his scholarship. He would be given the same amount of opportunity to play. Better players came along, yes. It influenced the decision to greyshirt him, yes.

But the same thing happened at LSU. So to quote someone else in this thread- QUIT TALKING OUT OF YOUR arse.

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UA signed 26 total yesterday to scholarships. 2 players were offered grayshirts. Philon and Taylor, both who were recovering from season ending injuries. Since UA only signed 26 and 3 of those are being backcounted to 2011, UA only signed 23 to the 2012 class. Again simple math for you. 26-3=23, 25(2012 class)-23=2 for the 2013 class that UA will be able to backcount next year. Hence Taylor and Philon if both would have accepted the grayshirts, both would have enrolled next Jan on full scholarships and counted against the 2012 class. So yes they were asked to grayshirt but still would have counted against the 2012 class but would have been giving another 6 months to fully heal without affecting their eligibility. Such a mean thing to do preserving their eligibility in case they do not get cleared in time for fall camp. BTW both are still in rehab.

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Ok. Thanks. So, you back count 3 to last year, end up with 23 players, add the two at the end, and then tell Philon to hit the road so he doesn't put you over the limit (or offer him a grayshirt so he counts for next year). Meanwhile, you have 50 guys in 2 classes and can only have 85 on the roster. How many guys get "processed" this year?

I remember a couple of years ago when Saban could only sign like 11 players and he took a full class anyway. He made the numbers work, didn't he?

The Philon case yesterday is just an example of Saban making the numbers work in a more direct way.

I agree Saban does make the numbers work, but this year I believe I read we have 19 seniors on scholarship and 3 juniors leaving early for the darft. So we have atleast 22 spots open. We also have 2 that we know of that were suspended indefinitely in Nov and doubt will be back. So now we are 24. So the other 2 spots are probably players who have got a degree but do not contribue and are told bye or maybe a medical. Again we are talking about 2 spots.

Most of the players that Saban has run off were not from his recruiting classes. This is the senior year of his first full class and the largest class to be seniors under Saban.

If I had my guess one scholarship will open up fram a kicker giving it to our new one coming in.

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Wow. You are an idiot

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Why you bragged about LSU grad rates and criticized Saban but the latest info shows the reason for LSU is Saban. Sorry for posting a fact.

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Sorry that Saban unlike another coach does not keep players that smoke pot or get in legal trouble to win. He kicks them off the team.

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You may want to recant that statement.

cough...upshaw...cough

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That's right. No Alabama players smoke pot. They only smoke pot AFTER they leave Alabama, but never while they wear the Crimson uniform (see Dre Kirkpatrick).

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I am sure most of them or I should say alot of them probably do. But when R Green got caught while on the team he was suspended for one year not one game and UA was expecting him to start the next season. The next time he got caught he was thrown off the team.

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Carswell and Love were backcounted to their original class of 2010. They were grayshirted because the 85 rule we could not get under that year. That is why we did not sign 25 in 2011.

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Bama signed 28 in 2010. Belue didn't make it. Carswell and Love had to be moved to 2011 because Bama had 27 for 2010.

P.S. If you count for the 25 you count for the 85.

Can't count for one and not the other.