re: What do we finish ranked at the end of the recruiting year?

Between 5-10 no matter our rank these are solid recruits. Rankings aren't always accurate, they don't measure smarts, drive, determination, and leadership qualities.

These are huge traits needed to grow as a person or man. You want MEN playing for LSU. Good example is the DE/DT we got from Bama last year in N. Farrell, he's going to be a Man! We have lots of guys like this in the 2018 class.

Doubt O all y'all want but watch what he brings to this roster. If he doesn't work out at the very least the next coach will have some freakn Men to work with. GT

8-12, dependent on last few slots. Will be interesting to see the rankings of our guys when the numbers are updated.
My take:
Marshall WR
Surtain CB
Beal TE
Fox DE/OLB
JUCO OT
Addl mix of OL, DB, WR and/or RB

The class is almost full and has a ton of 3 star players.


This class will finish in the 10-15th range. I say it will finish 12.

At this rate, out of the top 10. We're still going to be combating decommits too. Will be a solid class but a drop off in recruiting from the Miles era. Like it or not Miles was up there with Saban/Fisher as the best recruiter in the country. CEO is very good himself too just not as good as Miles. I'm kinda concerned though because he didn't really do a great job at Ole Miss. I guess you could claim that once they fired him they were winning off the guys he recruited. This class doesn't have a lot of guys that jump off their highlights and you say "wow" at. I'm not really sure what they're going for. Maybe they just want depth fillers here for this class where they think the guys will stay 4 years instead of all the 3 and dones in Miles era. Either way, it's definitely not looking like an elite class like we usually pull in. We'll never know until we see the results on the field. CEO has to earn trust before I can give it to him especially considering his past...

Maybe that's the issue in this class. Maybe they just want to see how good LSU is before jumping on. If that was the case though, he wouldn't hold the past recruiting class together like he did when Miles got the axe. To me, it just looks like a complete change in recruiting philosophy and I honestly don't know why. He's not exactly locking our borders down either. He might actually be doing worse there than Miles was able to do. Let's be real here, Miles had a silver tongue to recruit like he did with the offense he ran.

10-15. Unless LSU shows improvement in the passing game, Marshall will not be coming here. Way too many other places he'd destroy at on his list. This isn't Miles so he also can't expect just to be a top NFL prospect at WR, Ed O doesn't have that clout yet. So without Marshall you'll have likely one 5 star in Surtain, a shite ton of 3 stars, VERY few guys in the top 100, and the rest 4 stars. That doesn't translate into top 10 at all.

People also need to slow their role on rankings being wrong, all our 3 stars will be four stars, blah, blah. One, it doesn't work that way, two, a few could turn out to be that way, but those guys usually take 2-3 years to mature (see Chark, Debo, Riley, etc). If LSU continues to send guys to the NFL at the rate they do, we can't be taking half a class of projects/hidden potential guys.

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This isn't Miles so he also can't expect just to be a top NFL prospect at WR, Ed O doesn't have that clout yet.

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This makes no sense to me. You actually believe Miles has some sort of reputation in the NFL as a guy who develops great receivers? I've only ever heard that the LSU offense hindered receiver draft prospects and that guys were drafted highly in spite of Miles.

I really don't see how that changes because of Orgeron.

Do you have any information about Marshall or are you just taking out of your arse. I'm assuming it's the latter, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I agree about being skeptical that all the 3* guys will bump to 4*, but I disagree that all 3* are projects and all 4* and 5* guys are ready to contribute immediately. You can go through every recruiting class and find plenty of 4/5* guys who took a few years to see the field and 3* guys contributed early. You have to look at it in a case by case basis and not make blanket statements based on stars.

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This makes no sense to me. You actually believe Miles has some sort of reputation in the NFL as a guy who develops great receivers? I've only ever heard that the LSU offense hindered receiver draft prospects and that guys were drafted highly in spite of Miles.

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LOL, so stupid guy

Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis (although he didn't do anything), Early Doucet, Brandon LaFell, Rueben Randle, Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry, all top 3 round picks and 3 first round picks. Compare that to any other school in that time frame. Sure Miles didn't personally do anything, although he made it a point that these guys be good at blocking. But he could walk into that room and show them the lists and contract money of all those WRs. He could show them the NFL statistics, he could compare that to any other school or coach, he was just in a league of his own with that. Ed O doesn't have that clout.

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I really don't see how that changes because of Orgeron.

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See above.

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Do you have any information about Marshall or are you just taking out of your arse. I'm assuming it's the latter, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

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No I don't have any info, but aside from the typical crap kids pick schools, they want to go to a place where they can be prepared for the NFL. How the hell do you think we kept getting these top flight WRs with years of shite passing?

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I agree about being skeptical that all the 3* guys will bump to 4*, but I disagree that all 3* are projects and all 4* and 5* guys are ready to contribute immediately. You can go through every recruiting class and find plenty of 4/5* guys who took a few years to see the field and 3* guys contributed early. You have to look at it in a case by case basis and not make blanket statements based on stars.

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Guy it's pretty simple, most 4 and 5 stars are ready to contribute either immediately or after a year of learning and conditioning. Most 3 stars need 2-3 years to finally find their calling. Let's say LSU picks up 13 3 stars in a 25 man class. Are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that even half of those guys will start or play significantly within 1-2 years? Are you serious? Right now LSU has 12 3 stars (11 high school) and maybe 3 will get bumped up.

In 2011
LSU had 11 3 stars (10 if you exclude the obligatory kicking commit). Three of them, Martin, Collins, and Turner, contributed sometime in their first 2 years. Magee in his 3rd year. The other 7 didn't do anything. LSU had 10, 4 or 5 stars and 6 contributed or started in the first 2 years, with 7 of 10 ultimately doing something significant for LSU.

In 2012
LSU had 9 three stars or below, 7 when you remove specialists and JUCOs. Gordon was good as an extra blocker as a TE, but not much else (7 receptions in 3 years of appearing on the field). He didn't play till his 3rd year. Debo was excellent, but was pretty much just special teams for 3 years. Mills was excellent as a freshman then faded and was only decent as a senior. The other three did nothing, and only one of the 6 contributed in the 1st 2 years. LSU had 13 4 stars (only one was in the top 100 players). Six contributed and started at some point in their first 2 years, 3 more contributed and started by year three. So 9 of the 13 did something significant even though only one was in the top 100.

In 2013
LSU had 9 3 stars with two being JUCO. Of the remaining 7, none contributed in the first 2 years. Four of the 7 started last year (year 4), one contributed on more than just S/T by year three. LSU had 19 4+ star players with 2 being either JUCO or Military Academy. Of the remaining 17, 7 started or played significantly in the first 2 years. Twelve have done something significant by now.

In 2014
9 players were 3 stars or below and two were a specialist and JUCO. Of those remaining 7, none did anything in their first 2 years. In year 3 DJ Chark caught 26 passes and Gage caught 5. The others are either off the team or vying for a spot this year. LSU had 17 4 and 5 stars including an amazing 8 in the top 100. Minus the JUCO, they had 16 from high school. Of those 15, 9 played significant roles in their first 2 years with a few playing major roles year one. As of right now a few are in the NFL, and 3 of the other non contributes are likely the starters or immediate backups this year.


So there you have a 4 year breakdown that pretty much proves what I'm talking about.

2 DB's 1 WR

Dropped to 11th now. We still have more recruits than majority of the teams behind us also