re: Updated Rankings: Cumulative Average Star Rankings (2005-09)

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Obviously you have no idea about the way things work in the world if you don't think top notch athletes would ever want to go to the Big X.

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before you make statements like that to people, you might want to get to know them first. i have a pretty good idea of how things work in the world. for example:

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Do history and tradition mean anything to you?

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kids today don't care nearly as much about that as they did 20 years ago. if the big10 still had a great rep, you might have a point. but that's not the case now.

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What about getting guys into the NFL?

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see: sec

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How about playing for the team that you grew up rooting for and loved ever since you were a little boy.

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this explains a few kids, but not osu landing a recruiting class the caliber of sec teams

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And what about getting tired of seeing all the stuff on ESPN about how kids from Ohio can't keep up with the Florida kids.

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do you honestly believe bunches of kids are risking their career by going to osu to get embarresed by better teams from better conferences just to disprove that stereotype?

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And football in cold weather is so much better than in hot weather IMO

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i wasn't talking about football only. i was talking about life in general, like shoveling snow and living a long way from warm weather fun stuff

As far as Big 10 not being very good in conference they produce alot of NFL players. I mean just look at the Pro- Bowl year in and year out there are numerous big 10 players scattered throughout. I dont know the stats but I wonder what every NFL team looks like conference wise. Does SEC really dominate?

ACC is considered a weaker conference but they put in a good number of NFL players also think about the best players in league they are not all SEC guys.

after looking around I found this and thought it was interesting LINK

Having thought about it a little bit, I think this is what I'm going to do. Let me know if you have any suggestions. (...and sorry for the length... and the underscores, but it keeps things lined up so you can read it easier)

Here are LSU's classes from Rivals from 2005 to 2009 in terms of stars...

_______5-star__4-star__3-star__2-star
2005_____1______7______5______0
2006_____2_____12_____11______0
2007_____2_____19______5______0
2008_____2_____11_____13______0
2009_____4_____11______9______0

Now, I would be tempted to total these, but there are a couple of modifications I am going to make first. As it takes time for players to develop, I'd give a 2-star penalty to players in their first year and a 1-star penalty in the second year. In addition, a fair number of players don't make it to their 5th year (either by not red-shirting or going into the draft early). So I'll give them a factor of 0.7 to account for a 30% attrition rate.

So here are the modified numbers and the totals.

_______5-star__4-star__3-star__2-star
2005____0.7____4.9_____3.5_____0
2006_____2_____12_____11______0
2007_____2_____19______5______0
2008_____0______2_____11_____13
2009_____0______0______4_____11

TOT_____4.7___37.9____34.5____24

Now assuming that teams will be keeping their best on the field most of the time, I'd only count the full value for the top 22. As backups play a significant amount, but not nearly as much as the starters, I'd count the next 22 at 60%. The third string only sees mop-up, but they do get called upon when injuries occur, so I'll count the third 22 at 20%.

So, first string = 4.7 (5*) and 17.3 (4*)
second string = 20.6 (4*) and 1.4 (3*)
third string = 22 (3*)

So, LSU's score for next year would be: 1.0* (4.7*5 + 17.3*4) + 0.6*(20.6*4 + 1.4*3) + 0.2*(22*3) =157.86

(Note: that since a team consisting of 66 4* players would total 158.4, LSU's 157.86 looks pretty damn good.)
(Note: The "perfect score" is 198, obtained by having 66 5* players on a team, would require averaging over 24 5* players per class over 3 years.)

Then do the same for the other teams...

I'll probably get this done by next weekend... Any thoughts/suggestions before I do?

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you need a weighted avg, for example:

USC: 15 recruits at 3.89 stars for 2009
___ recrutis at ___ stars for 2008



and so on...

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I was thinking the same thing.

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1. it's cold. too many good football teams in warm climates to care about living up there.

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It's cold for really only 4-5 months of the year. Actually, in general, the weather here's nicer during football season during than down south. It's in the 60s and 70s Sept and Oct, as opposed to hot weather down south. It really doesn't get cold til November, 3 or 4 games. And, during the summer (conditioning/practice), it's not very hot and humid like down there.

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2. the big 10's rep has never been worse. national tv has not been kind to them lately

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OSU's still a consistent top 5 team that plays in BCS bowls, and sends a lot of talent to the NFL, and has a ton of tradition.

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3. there are too many other programs that have better facilities/competition/fan bases to consider a big 10 school.

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Out of those three things, the only one that is maybe true for Ohio St is the comp, and even for us, that's not that very true, as we've scheduled great OOC opponents for the next 10 years.

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"Posted on 2/15 at 4:24 a.m. to DocBugbear"

Dude,lay off the blow

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Sorry, no blow required. Just insomnia problems...

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1 USC 3.95 3.96 4.22 3.89 3.89 19.91 3.982
2 Florida 3.39 3.89 3.89 3.82 3.94 18.93 3.786
3 LSU 3.69 3.64 3.88 3.58 3.79 18.58 3.716
4 Ohio State 3.50 3.60 3.80 3.79 3.76 18.45 3.690
5 Texas 3.60 3.60 3.79 3.55 3.85 18.39 3.678
6 Georgia 3.58 3.64 3.48 3.67 3.83 18.20 3.640
7 Oklahoma 3.63 3.54 3.38 3.81 3.43 17.79 3.558

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I think I'm going to buy 4 BCSCG dibz for each of these teams. Assuming the national championship game will involve two of these teams, there is money to be made ... not to mention I'd definitely have tix if LSU finds itself in the big game next year. I've already bought 4 LSU Dibz.

LSU $60
Georgia $60
Oklahoma $60
Ohio State $75
USC $75
Texas $90
Florida $90


I probably will not buy Georgia Dibz because if they haven't made the BCSCG game by now, they definitely aren't gonna make it this coming season with everybody they lost.

UConn can make some Big East noise, because no BiG East team is highly rated.

None of them would win consistently in the SEC.

Its possible for anyone to play well and beat anyone else, but its less likely if you dont have the best players.

Note: that since a team consisting of 66 4* players would total 158.4, LSU's 157.86 looks pretty damn good.)
(Note: The "perfect score" is 198, obtained by having 66 5* players on a team, would require averaging over 24 5* players per class over 3 years.)

Then do the same for the other teams...

I'll probably get this done by next weekend... Any thoughts/suggestions before I do?


YES, use the RIVALS 6.1 and 6.0 and 5.9 and 5.8 instead of the 5 and 4.

The difference between 5 and 4 is less this way, and the nuance of the three actual levels of 4 is more useful.

In fact, Sport or one of the other systems, I recall, uses a 100 point system for each player.

In the 100 point system, a five star player might end up being a 93 for example.

anyone find it sickening to look at that list with all of those terrible teams and see where our offensive production in '09 ranked among them?

stars don't mean shite.