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agregime1
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Alpha Dog

The No. 1 quarterback in the Top247 in Washington (DC) Gonzaga five-star Caleb Williams didn’t disappoint.

“There’s nothing this kid can’t do,” Dilfer started in. The 48-year old was the No. 6 pick in the 1994 NFL Draft and played 14 years on Sundays including a Super Bowl Championship with the Baltimore Ravens. “I’ve been doing this a long time, he has very few limitations if any. He’s uber-competitive. Very focused when he walked in. He’s really clean, he’s consistent, clean usually means consistent.

“Every throw was good to great. I think he takes it that serious. I’m interpreting what his mind is telling him and it’s as if every throw is the most important throw of the day.”

The 6-foot-2, 209-pound Williams will announce his college decision on July 4. LSU, Maryland and Oklahoma are the finalists with the Sooners holding as the 247Sports Crystal Ball favorite.


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Gilbert (Ariz.) Mesquite’s Ty Thompson
The Oregon commit is tabbed by the 247Sports Composite as the nation’s No. 7 pro-style passer and No. 80 prospect overall.

“I thought Ty Thompson was really impressive,” Dilfer said. “Very consistent. Like a kid, no matter what you ask him to do he did it well. What I like about Ty, he has a lot of different throws, I call it a throw catalogue. He can throw it hard, soft, throw it early, throw it late, speed it up, he did a lot of really nice things.”

Cedar Hill (Texas) High’s Kaidon Salter
The Tennessee commit is the No. 4 dual-threat quarterback and No. 62 prospect overall in the Top247.

“Way more organized as a passer than his tape showed,” Dilfer said. “He was really, really clean and there is some juice in that body, wow! It wouldn’t surprise me if he can take one step and 360 dunk. He has that kind of juice in his body. Super coachable, they threw these inside seam shots, right, left, one high, benders, stay skinny and they cross. First rep may not have been perfect and I watch the second rep and his correction rep was money time after time after time.”

East St. Louis (Ill.) High’s Tyler Macon
The Missouri commit is the No. 22 dual-threat signal-caller in the 247Sports Composite.

“Macon is a beast,” Dilfer said. “So strong and powerful, really coachable. I’d put him and Salter in the same category. Their correction rep was really impressive. We ask them to do things they’ve never done, we expect them to fail, it’s the next rep that matters and Macon and Salter stood out.

“He reminds me of Steve McNair.”

Bradenton (Fla.) IMG Academy’s J.J. McCarthy
The five-star Michigan commit is the No. 2 pro-style quarterback and No. 14 prospect overall in the 247Sports Composite.

“J.J. is really good,” Dilfer said. “The kid is charismatic, he’s competitive, he has juice, I was really impressed with J.J.”

Flower Mound (Texas) Marcus’s Garrett Nussmeier
The LSU commit is the No. 8 pro-style passer and No. 101 prospect overall in the 247Sports Composite.

“He’s had to earn a starting quarterback job (roughly) seven times from his dad (Coach Doug Nussmeier taking jobs) moving so much from little league to high school and you can see that with how he carries himself. He’s a kid that’s free flowing, charismatic and everyone loves him and he can play. This kid generates a lot of power for not being a huge kid. You see a lot of coaches kids that are really robotic. He’s not robotic. I played with his dad in the pros and he’s a better version of his dad. He’s a twitchier, a little more powerful version of his pops.”


Chalkywhite84
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Wish lsu would've pushed harder for ty Thompson over Williams
Then maybe have nuss and thompson


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hawtbiscuit
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Cant go wrong with any of those top guys. But Nuss fits our system and mold like a glove!! Ive seen from multiple sources that Nuss was among the most (if not THE most) accurate passer(s) out there. Ill take that every day


justustm2
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Cant go wrong with any of those top guys. But Nuss fits our system and mold like a glove!! Ive seen from multiple sources that Nuss was among the most (if not THE most) accurate passer(s) out there. Ill take that every day


Please explain how “Nuss” fits our system and Williams doesn’t. Some keep parroting that and I have no earthly idea what they mean. Before you answer, re-read the above analysis of Williams, who has been the top QB at the event so far on all of the analyses I’ve seen. Does LSU’s system somehow requires a less talented QB to be successful?


hawtbiscuit
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1. I was responding to pushing for ty thompson

2. I also said "cant go wrong with any of the top guys"

3. Garrett Nuss is very similar in most aspect to Joe Burrow (not saying hes gonna have his exact season) for whom we built our offense around in 2019. They are both deadly accurate pocket passers with above average athleticism to run if need be, and good pocket awareness and coaches sons. This is not to say Caleb wouldnt be awesome, but a running quarterback IS a different system.. therefore, garrett nuss fits the system currently in place

4. Nuss certainly isnt less talented, but with different strengths.

Sorry that youre upset at anything


GeauxLSUGeaux
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Please explain how “Nuss” fits our system and Williams doesn’t


He doesn’t say that Williams doesn’t fit our system, only that Nuss does. What you have against Nuss?


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He’s had to earn a starting quarterback job (roughly) seven times


I think this is a big statement. If he truly had to come in and earn his way each time that says a lot about this kid. It's not taking away from anyone else, it just speaks to this young man's ability to fight. JB was a fighter too, give me someone willing to fight and earn the job that also has the skills...... Happy he is going to be a Tiger


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Gus007
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Before you answer,


Before you step on your tongue, who was the number one QB when Brennan attended that camp?
Where was Burrow rated?
Williams maybe the greatest QB ever but that camp is no guarantee.


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Please explain how “Nuss” fits our system and Williams doesn’t. Some keep parroting that and I have no earthly idea what they mean. Before you answer, re-read the above analysis of Williams, who has been the top QB at the event so far on all of the analyses I’ve seen. Does LSU’s system somehow requires a less talented QB to be successful?


Is your fricking brain broken? We recruited Caleb Williams. We also recruited Nuss who committed. Nowhere in any of the posts here did anyone say anything about Caleb williams. Christ...im shocked at peoples mush brains.


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He’s really clean


Did he just describe a black kid as "clean". Nice Knowing you Dilfer.


hawtbiscuit
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not quite sure thats *quite* the context Dilfer was going for but go off i guess lol


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lsufanva
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Number 3 answers his question perfectly. It's all about accuracy. Nuss is more accurate currently and like projects as so in the future. Burrows success was largely based on pinpoint accuracy.


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wutangfinancial
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but that camp is no guarantee.



I played football with an elite 11 QB in Idaho lol You're exactly right. This is just another camp for what is the hardest position to project at the next level.


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justustm2
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1. I was responding to pushing for ty thompson

2. I also said "cant go wrong with any of the top guys"

3. Garrett Nuss is very similar in most aspect to Joe Burrow (not saying hes gonna have his exact season) for whom we built our offense around in 2019. They are both deadly accurate pocket passers with above average athleticism to run if need be, and good pocket awareness and coaches sons. This is not to say Caleb wouldnt be awesome, but a running quarterback IS a different system.. therefore, garrett nuss fits the system currently in place

4. Nuss certainly isnt less talented, but with different strengths.

Sorry that youre upset at anything


He is more similar to Brennan than Burrow. I think not quite as talented to Brennan as a high school senior. And your description of Williams as a “running” QB does not jibe with the analysis of him at the elite 11. Was Burrow a running QB last year? Would Desaen Watson, Tua Tagliova, Kyler Murray and Fields also not fit LSU’s system?

As far as “Nuss certainly is not less talented”. Well Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State and all the football analysts seem to think so, along with a number of other higher rated QBs. Nuss is a good QB that some LSU fans have elevated so high they would willingly pass on the top rated QB in the class who still has LSU as an option, when he is not even the top QB in the state of Texas. LSU has had similar QBs before in Brennan, Johnson and Lee. The only similar QB LSU has had to Williams was Perrilou, also the number 1 rated QB.

You did not upset me. Some things can be predictable and thus not upsetting. Now I might have upset a few. i got so many down votes you’d think I shouted BLM!


geauxGreeks
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Updated rankings for day 2 has Nuss at 6 overall LINK
This post was edited on 6/30 at 6:13 pm


The Tiger322
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What was he originally?


justustm2
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He doesn’t say that Williams doesn’t fit our system, only that Nuss does. What you have against Nuss?


What he said as many have said as to why LSU should pass on Williams is Nussmeier is a “better” fit for LSU. I have nothing against Nussmeier. In fact I am happy he committed to LSU.

What I have a problem with is the anti-Williams crowd who as usual make up reasons why LSU should not pursue a DT QB. I recall the same type response to LSU pursuing Kyler Murray, Justin Fields, and D’Eriq King. One a Heisman winner and 1st pick in the NFL Draft, one a Heisman finalist and possible number 2 pick in the NFL Draft, and one a Heisman contender who had a year where he threw for 3000 yds, 63.5%, 36 TDs and accounted for 50 TDs.

They normally cast aspersions on the character of the QBs, then they claim they are inaccurate and can’t pass from the pocket. And of course they don’t fit LSU’s system. All have proven that not true. What kind of system you got where Heisman caliber QBs don’t fit.


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geauxGreeks
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3-5 range depending on Rivals, 247, or the e11 take on camp


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hawtbiscuit
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1. If you're relying on analysis from scouts at places like Elite 11 or 247, Nuss is rated significantly higher than Brennan out of HS. So that doesnt track either.

2. Caleb is a "running quarterback" because his HS designed QB runs for him all the time. He CAN be an accurate pocket passer (it doesnt appear AS accurate as Nuss) but oftentimes, his coaches designed runs for him, which is perfectly fine and awesome, except thats simply not what LSU's O-line is built to accomplish.

3. Talent isn't about offers or what analysts think. Surely i think Caleb is a "better" prospect than Nuss, which is what the analysts think. If you asked them who was more talented, however, im sure theyd say the same as i did, "they just have different strengths"

4. Id love to have both QB's in this class, its just not happening, so IM not gonna shite on Nuss since we missed Caleb.. because, in my own humble opinion, LSU's current roster (specifically O-line) is built for an accurate pocket passer like Nuss, which is no disrespect to any of the top teir QBs this class


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