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re: There is NO justifiable reason why LSU does not have a QB commit

Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:51 am to
Posted by cra_cra
Member since Nov 2016
1743 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:51 am to
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Let me guess, you hate Oregeron? Think it was a terrible hire, and he needs to be fired asap.



No, I don't hate Coach O. In fact, I have defended the hire more times than I care to remember..

I also stated numerous times that in order for him to be successful, he has to change the culture around the QB position. This is the biggest hurdle for any coach coming into LsU.

He has to sign multiple QB's every year. If he can't do that, then he is taking a huge gamble on the few that we have on the roster. And really what it means is that he hasn't been able to change our reputation out on the recruiting trail. And that's bad news.

That's the biggest problem (limiting factor) facing our program. As such, I'm a little disappointed in "the recruiter" right now.
Posted by cra_cra
Member since Nov 2016
1743 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:59 am to
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What you want to bet that LSU goes into next season with more than 3 QBs on their roster?



Look, I'm sorry for sounding like such a jerk, and I really didn't mean to be this rude.


The QB position is something that has been hurting us for a long time. Our mentality with offense and our mentality for how we recruited QB's had to change in order to be an elite program.

We must have the attitude that the QB position is always a position of need. It is the pivotal piece and we must treat it as such and be aggressive every year recruiting them.

You expressed a not so urgent attitude about it and a lackadaisical approach, which is what has gotten us into trouble. We can never, EVER, think that way with regard to the QB position.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14415 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:08 am to
LSU has recruited QB this season with Bohannon, Foster and Rogers. We were somewhat close on Fields before he chose Georgia. Unfortunately Lindsey Scott transferred, but he likely would not have jumped Brennan or Narcisse and Lewis has now transferred.

I suspect we get at least a preferred walk on, but we may still pull Foster; although it's not likely at this point.

I would have taken a chance with Corral unless there are too many red flags because he has all the tools to be very good. The Canada situation needs to be cleaned up and we need to have a good season with Brennan/Narcisse and we should recruit hard for QB for the 2019 class.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21062 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:12 am to
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We must have the attitude that the QB position is always a position of need


Why does any attitude "WE" have matter? We are just people on a message board talking about LSU.


I dont even know why I'm bothering with you. After running through your post history this is what you did in nearly every thread.
Posted by CoachJG45
Member since Oct 2017
639 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:25 am to
All they gotta do is offer
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14415 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:43 am to
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All they gotta do is offer

No kidding Coach. Let's get this done. Ride for Quad!
Posted by LosTigres25
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2017
365 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:37 am to
LSU can find a 2-3 star guy to commit and hope with. That's not the point of the thread. For LSU to compete for championships they need to bring in 4+* QB's and even then its no guarantee that 1 of those guy's can start 2+ years and lead the team to a NY6 game. But its a must for a blue blood school to maintain annual success and O was supposed to be able to fix this glaring issue at LSU.

Its a probability thing. Just like any other position. Certainly a QB recruit has a much lower hit/miss ratio vs any other 4+* position, but there's still a better possibility for success with a kid that has multiple offers from other big time schools vs a guy with only a 2-3 star rating.

O needs to find a guy that has real potential and other blue blood schools want him just as bad as he does. Somewhere, Somehow, every year.

This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 11:39 am
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14415 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:46 am to
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LSU can find a 2-3 star guy to commit and hope with. That's not the point of the thread.

Well you completely glossed over most of my post where I mentioned the 3 4* QBs we were recruiting and the fact that I had hoped we would have offered Corral as well. I only mentioned the preferred walk on part because there was also a big discussion of #s of QBs on the roster which we need as well. At no point did I say or imply that I would be fine with just a walk on. It may; however, end up being how we finish which was my point.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 11:48 am
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9122 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:53 am to
So you're saying that LSU has 3 unknowns but to get a 4th just in case?

I understand the argument but it's not like LSU isn't recruiting QBs and may have fall back plans? Who knows? If anything we should probably go after a grad transfer next year if one of these 3 don't work out this year. I would say go after a transfer this year but I'm not sure if they have anyone available that aren't just as risky in this class.

LSU might also feel really good about the 3 we have, that if one of the younger guys don't develop like they would like, maybe McMillan is good enough to win us some ball games? I mean who knows at this point but it isn't too late to put on the full court press if LSU feels that's needed. I'm sure they have a plan in place. I would worry too much.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21062 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:00 pm to
Thats my whole point in this thread. Im not saying LSU shouldn't try to bring in a solid QB, but I dont think its as needed as other positions this year.

LSU has 2 highly rated QBs on scholarship, plus another guy on scholarship who was brought in to probably never start but to give us some type of long term quality back up option.

We have no clue what the coaches are feeling about those 3. To those saying there needs to be competition, I'm sure Brennan and Narcisse will battle it out and have plenty of competition.

Next year we have to go grab a big time recruit at QB, but I just don't know that the panic button needs to be pushed if we don't get it this year.

I'm sure LSU is trying hard to bring in a 4-5 star QB. If they can't, do you bring in another McMillan type of QB??? Or wait till next year?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26776 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:08 pm to
Alabama had one less QB on scholarship this year than we did.

We had 4, they had 3.
Posted by CoachJG45
Member since Oct 2017
639 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:19 pm to
All day long!!
Posted by cra_cra
Member since Nov 2016
1743 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:29 pm to
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Thats my whole point in this thread. Im not saying LSU shouldn't try to bring in a solid QB, but I dont think its as needed as other positions this year.

LSU has 2 highly rated QBs on scholarship, plus another guy on scholarship who was brought in to probably never start but to give us some type of long term quality back up option.




AND AGAIN.... YOU ARE WRONG!!!!

Brennan hasn't completed a pass more than 10 yards, yet you are comfortable with what we have? What happens when he goes down, we have a guy that hasn't played in a football game in 3 years?

QB is ABSOLUTELY A POSITION OF NEED.


I'm sorry man, you just absolutely have NO IDEA what you are talking about. NONE. ZERO.

The number 1 priority for every program is to sign a top QB every single year. And most certainly if you look at where we are, it is a critical need. Without question!
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21062 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:42 pm to
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Brennan hasn't completed a pass more than 10 yards


Neither will any QB we bring in.

AGAIN.....we have no clue what the coaches are seeing in the QBs we have currently on roster.

Nor did I say that we should not be recruiting QBs into this class at all.

90% of your post are telling people how wrong they are. I get it....you think I'm wrong. You've only said it 200 times in every reply. Not sure what qualifies your opinion as fact, compared to the thousands of other regular joes here.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21062 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:43 pm to
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Alabama had one less QB on scholarship this year than we did. 

We had 4, they had 3.


You are WRONG. You dont know what you are talking about. Im sorry, but you are dead wrong. Every team needs 5 top tier QBs.

Signed, Cra cra






Did I do this right?
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9122 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:56 pm to
If anything we need an experienced QB that is on the same level as our young guns. If they aren't ready then a freshman sure as hell wouldn't be unless we get lucky as frick.

LSU did go after QBs that they thought could compete with our young guys but those didn't work out. I think MB will surprise some people next year and will probably lose some games for us but also win some for us as well. At some point with how our QB position was set up when O got here, the QBs will have to learn trial by fire, and grow.

If we had the option to get a Jake Fromm or someone of that nature, it would be great, but we don't. Obviously they feel good with what we have compared to what was out there. Maybe putting that responsibility on Myles and Narcisse will help them both develop faster?

Myles doesn't come across as someone who will procrastinate his position, he will get ready for what's coming. I'm worried about the WRs developing with him myself. I think Myles can get the job done but the first few games might be rough. We don't have any cupcakes to warn him up. He will just have to work his butt off and LSU will have to do some unconventional training to prepare these guys. Put them through the freakn ringer, make it hard on them, as well as the WRs.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:00 pm to
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LSU has 2 highly rated QBs on scholarship, plus another guy on scholarship who was brought in to probably never start but to give us some type of long term quality back up option.


Highly rated?

They're just two guys right now. Their ratings means squat.

I frequently disagree with cra but I think he's right here. Why would you not make it a priority to fill the QB coffers? It's still the most important position of the team and the one that's especially difficult to project to the college level. You get your numbers up, the probabilities can work in your favor instead of against you.

We cannot assume that Brennan and Narcisse have this locked up. Neither have really shown anything. It's a need.

I also agree that pressure creates the diamond. In other words, this is a position in which a culture of intense competition has to be created to bring out the best in everyone. Brennan wins this job this year, he shouldn't think he has it won permanently because there should be another two QBs right behind him that could potentially take his job from him. That can't happen if QB "isn't a need" this year. It has to always be treated as a need.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5539 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:01 pm to
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So you're saying that LSU has 3 unknowns but to get a 4th just in case?
Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. Increase the odds of finding a winner. (Unfortunately, I don't believe McMillan is as unknown as most of us would like.)

I guess it bears repeating. QB is far and away the most important position on the field in college football. LSU needs to over-sign that position and let the lesser talent transfer out. LSU does that at DB, WR, and OL. Why not at QB? Why not increase the odds in LSU's favor? Why hope and pray for success at QB?
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I understand the argument but it's not like LSU isn't recruiting QBs and may have fall back plans? Who knows?
Knowledgeable folks believe that Rogers is signing with TCU, and Foster will be a tough pull with Saban, Fisher, and Taggart chasing him.
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maybe McMillan is good enough to win us some ball games?
Hope? Pray?
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I mean who knows at this point but it isn't too late to put on the full court press if LSU feels that's needed. I'm sure they have a plan in place. I would worry too much.
It isn't too late? For what? Tomorrow is the first day of the three day NSD signing window. There's about to be a SHITTON™ fewer QBs on the market.
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I'm sure LSU is trying hard to bring in a 4-5 star QB. If they can't, do you bring in another McMillan type of QB??? Or wait till next year?
Again, tomorrow is the first day of NSD. There will be a SHITTON™ of QBs who will sign LOIs and be off of the market.

Next year is looking nearly as barren as this year. LINK. Our best chance right now is Johnson, a QB from Oregon.



quote:

There are risks and costs to action. But they are far less than the long range risks of comfortable inaction.
John F. Kennedy

quote:

Inaction breeds doubt and fear. Action breeds confidence and courage. If you want to conquer fear, do not sit home and think about it. Go out and get busy.
Dale Carnegie

And most appropriately:
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Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong - these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.
Winston Churchill

Because:
quote:

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
George Santayana
Posted by cra_cra
Member since Nov 2016
1743 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:18 pm to
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You are WRONG. You dont know what you are talking about. Im sorry, but you are dead wrong. Every team needs 5 top tier QBs.

Signed, Cra cra






Did I do this right?




Because he isn't telling the full story.


Here is who is on scholarship at BAMA:

Hurts - 5.8 4* SO
Jones - 5.9 4* FR
Tag - 6.0 4* FR
*And I do believe one of the walk-ons earned a scholarship (but not saying for sure)

Processed out when Hurts, a freshman, took over the job.
Cornwell - 5.9 4*
Bateman - 5.8 4*

Other QBs they signed and were processed
Barnett - 6.0 4*
MCleod - 3*

Meaning:
Bama is always recruiting them, always signing them, and always letting competition filter out the best. And they can afford to shed some because they continue to sign enough to do that. thus, the cream can rise to the top.

If they sign one this year (after signing 2 good ones last year), they could potentially have 5 on scholarship going into the new season... that along with about 3 more walk-ons.

I'm sorry I can't answer all the ridiculous, and half truth posts.
Posted by cra_cra
Member since Nov 2016
1743 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:20 pm to
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Highly rated?

They're just two guys right now. Their ratings means squat.

I frequently disagree with cra but I think he's right here. Why would you not make it a priority to fill the QB coffers? It's still the most important position of the team and the one that's especially difficult to project to the college level. You get your numbers up, the probabilities can work in your favor instead of against you.

We cannot assume that Brennan and Narcisse have this locked up. Neither have really shown anything. It's a need.

I also agree that pressure creates the diamond. In other words, this is a position in which a culture of intense competition has to be created to bring out the best in everyone. Brennan wins this job this year, he shouldn't think he has it won permanently because there should be another two QBs right behind him that could potentially take his job from him. That can't happen if QB "isn't a need" this year. It has to always be treated as a need.


Very, very well said, and I agree completely!!!

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