re: The pro style vs. the dual threat

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Four of the last six Heisman winners were "dual threat" QBs. 3 1/2 of the last 7 BCS championship teams have had "dual threat" QBs.

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Why do you keep going back just far enough to make your stats support your point? Anyway, what you're saying is the 3 best dual-threat college QB's we've ever seen won the NC. The other 3 1/2 NC's in that span were won with very mediocre pocket passers. So what you're saying is, it takes the greatest of the great dual-threat QB's to win the big game, but an average pocket passer game-manager can do it. Got it.

JJ was never a dual threat. Good athleticism but marginal run abilities.

Guys like Andy Dalton, Colt McCoy, russell wilson, and even Andrew Luck (who aren't known as Dual Threats) were more of a dual threat than JJ.

A real dual threat is a guy who can get 3000 yards passing and 500 yards rushing in a season. If you can get a guy like that then you are golden.

OK, let's take a step back. I never said we shouldn't recruit dual-threat QB's, I said that most of us want to see more pro-style QB's because as defenses keep getting faster, a running quarterback becomes less of a threat. My point is that when you have 3 or 4 other guys whose job it is to run the ball (and who are damn good at it), why on earth do you want your quarterback to run unless absolutely necessary?

It's a fact that the percentage of option offenses in high school is high, and that percentage drops in college, and is all but non-existent in the pros. Naturally, the number of times QB's run the ball drops as well. I believe the reason for this is because in high school you have a couple of good athletes on offense, as do the defenses you're playing against, so you put your best athletes at QB and RB and try to run where the opposing athletes are not. In college, where the speed, talent, and athleticism is more concentrated on defense, that gameplan essentially falls to shite. Luckily, there is also more talent on offense, so you spread the ball around more. In the pros with talent everywhere, you have to be balanced on offense.

I, as does pretty much everybody else in the nation, put SEC football at the top of college football pointed squarely in the direction of the NFL. In my opinion, a dual-threat quarterback points your offense more in the high school direction.

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule (not that I think my opinion and train of logic are rules), as we've seen with the dual-threat QB's you've listed.

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OK, let's take a step back. I never said we shouldn't recruit dual-threat QB's, I said that most of us want to see more pro-style QB's because as defenses keep getting faster, a running quarterback becomes less of a threat. My point is that when you have 3 or 4 other guys whose job it is to run the ball (and who are damn good at it), why on earth do you want your quarterback to run unless absolutely necessary?

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That argument is counterintuitive. Wouldn't faster defenses make a QB who can run a premium? How else would he get away from the rush if his receivers are covered or the pocket breaks down.

As to why you would want your QB to run, it is because it is an added weapon that the defense has to account for. It becomes 11 on 11 football. I assure you that a defense would prefer a QB that can pass but cannot run over a QB who can both pass and run every time. It is a no brainer.

You might not have said we shouldn't recruit dual-threat QB's, but there are many on here who have ignorantly argued that.

The percentage of spread option offenses in college is on par if not more than pro-style offenses. Your premise is incorrect. Spread offenses are also starting to be incorporated by some NFL teams as well.

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Wouldn't faster defenses make a QB who can run a premium?

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If your QB can outrun the defense, he should be a receiver.

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How else would he get away from the rush if his receivers are covered or the pocket breaks down.

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Why does he have to? If the play breaks down, either throw the ball away or take a couple steps forward and take a sack for minimal loss. Think about how many bad things can happen when scrambling quarterbacks start running around.

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As to why you would want your QB to run, it is because it is an added weapon that the defense has to account for.

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Often times by adding that weapon, one or three other weapons go by the wayside. All I'm saying is, you need QB skills at the QB position, and many "dual-threats" don't have those.

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I assure you that a defense would prefer a QB that can pass but cannot run over a QB who can both pass and run every time. It is a no brainer.

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Anyone with 2 legs can run. Now, would a defense prefer a QB who looks at 1 receiver before running, or one who looks at 2 or 3 receivers before running, but might not pick up as many yards?

I guess my position can be summed up like this: "pro-style" and "dual-threat" are just labels. I believe your QB has to have passing skills first and foremost, and if he is also a runner that's a bonus. I also believe that when you have talent at the skill positions, it's better for 2 or 3 receivers to always be a threat to be thrown at, rather than your one and only quarterback always be a threat to run.

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Newton's '10 QB rating rivaled RG3's 2011 rating

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easier to throw to WRs when DBs are worried about the option rushing attack

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Dual threat=RG3

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maybe early in his career, but he was much more of a pocket passer in a spread who occasionally ran, like what cold mccoy did at UT

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All I'm saying is, you need QB skills at the QB position, and many "dual-threats" don't have those.

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Then they are not "dual threats". Lets put it this way, would you rather Dan Marino without running skills or Dan Marino with Michael Vick's running skills?

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would you rather Dan Marino without running skills or Dan Marino with Michael Vick's running skills?

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Who wouldn't prefer a beast of a human being like Marinovick? Given a choice of Marino or Vick, though, and it's Marino easily.

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Then they are not "dual threats".

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This is exactly what I'm saying. I wish we had statistics on how many scholarships have been wasted on "dual-threats" who never saw the field because they just flat-out could not play the quarterback position at the college level. A quarterback needs leadership skills, pocket presence, an accurate arm and good decision-making skills. I don't give a damn about his time in the 40 or his running skills unless I'm playing a video game.

I am all for a dual style, pro threat QB.