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re: Texas A&M to rule LA in recruiting if moved to SEC!!!!
Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:27 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:27 pm to thunderbird1100
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One kid isn't going to make a difference.
Surely you jest. Every single down there's a kid making a play. Maybe Shaun Ward makes a Nat'l Championship-sealing sack in 4 years for us? Every little bit matters. Every kid is significant. If A&M in the SEC helps us get one more difference-making player than we'd get in the Big XII - it matters.
Also Arkansas =/ A&M. Apples and oranges. They've finally built their team back up. They've also got their Texas presence going on again by playing us in DFW in the Southwest Classic. You have to expect they'll get more recruits in the DFW area now. Also - if a kid from TX wants to play in the SEC they'll most likely choose either Arky or LSU because of proximity. If A&M is in the SEC expect Arky and LSU's Texas recruiting #s to drop a bit. How much? Who knows. It'd depend upon how many of the kids are shopping for a better conference to compete in.
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any significant impact on the state. It's simply not going to happen.
Our definitions of significant are different.
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A&M is not among these teams, they would be among the other 6 teams, like Arkansas.
You underestimate A&M's long-term potential. A&M is a huge school in the biggest state, with lots of big $$$ alumni, in a talent-rich area. Just a matter of time sir.
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Why are you under the impression College Station is a more attractive place to play for kids from LA, MS, AL, GA, FL than Fayetteville? I dont think anyone outside of those 2 schools would believe that. Both schools are "far" away from these other big SEC states (A&M further) and neither are football powers.
That's not what I'm saying. A&M in the SEC gives A&M a significant advantage for recruits in the state of Texas. It also gives us added exposure in SEC markets. Then again, it also gives all of y'all better exposure in Texas. It's up to the kids to decide where they want to play.
Throwing out absolutes of "you'll never get this" or "you'll never amount to ___" is unwise in my experience. No offense intended there, but life continually surprises me.
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:27 pm to jackson123
The only time is ATM beats them is when those teams are down too. Let's take this year as an example. ATM beat Texas and OU. LSU in good faith was mediocre this year. QB problems hurt us. ATM made Jefferson look like Joe Montana 
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FARMERS FIGHT
. FARMERS FIGHT
Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:29 pm to jackson123
But in all seriousness. The "colt" that is ATM has hurt them with recruits. ATM alums will hate to admit that but there is a ton of truth in it.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:31 pm to jackson123
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OU & Texas throughout eternity will be better than ATM 7/10 times. Will ATM beat them from time to time? Absolutely. But the "program" will never be at those levels. JUST WON'T HAPPEN.
Past doesn't determine future. If it did we'd have romped on LSU in the Cotton Bowl and extended our win streak to 6 in a row.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:34 pm to jackson123
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The only time is ATM beats them is when those teams are down too. Let's take this year as an example. ATM beat Texas and OU.
So you're saying that teams that are down lose, and teams that are on the ups win?
t.u. was definitely in the dumper last year. OU not so much. Neither was Nebraska. Arkansas was a hail mary away from a different game (I still wonder what that game would look like with Tannehill under center).
Sidenote: Jefferson had a career game. Those TD throws to Tolliver were right on the freakin' money, and I hadn't seen anything like that out of him in any highlights from conference play. Dude stepped up that night.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:35 pm to jackson123
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But in all seriousness. The "colt" that is ATM has hurt them with recruits. ATM alums will hate to admit that but there is a ton of truth in it.
You're right. Our recruiting sucks this year.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:37 pm to AAM02
1 year? And no one is signed yet.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:46 pm to AAM02
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Surely you jest. Every single down there's a kid making a play. Maybe Shaun Ward makes a Nat'l Championship-sealing sack in 4 years for us? Every little bit matters. Every kid is significant. If A&M in the SEC helps us get one more difference-making player than we'd get in the Big XII - it matters
We're talking about a 3-star kid you got from FL. Probably not going to make a difference. What would make a difference in landing several players from these states that these big SEC programs want, it's not going to happen if you're playing the SEC, The Big 12-2 or the moon.
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Also Arkansas =/ A&M
Actually you guys parallel each other A LOT. You were very close to one another in the SWC in terms of success. Texas owned that conference and you two played second fiddle to them. It wouldn't be any different in the SEC vs. elite programs and it hasnt been already for Arkansas for near 20 years.
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If A&M is in the SEC expect Arky and LSU's Texas recruiting #s to drop a bit.
Arkansas - maybe, LSU? Doubt it, we are a better program and it's not like we need Texas anyways for recruiting. We recruit LA/MS/AL/FL/GA/TN/SC and other national places well enough even if aTm took 1 or 2 more recruits away from us every year from TX we'd be fine. Arky might suffer, but not LSU. Simply moving to the SEC isn't going to help your recruiting.
Texas kids will still ultimately choose Texas and Oklahoma over everyone.
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Our definitions of significant are different.
Nobody considers 1 recruit significant.
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You underestimate A&M's long-term potential. A&M is a huge school in the biggest state, with lots of big $$$ alumni, in a talent-rich area. Just a matter of time sir.
Blah blah blah. You are no different than Arkansas' history. Arkansas has not done well in the SEC, nor would you, period. You scream long-term potential but just look at history - your long term potential is being that mediocre middle of the road program, not a power. If it hasnt happened the last 100 years it's not happening the next 100.
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A&M in the SEC gives A&M a significant advantage for recruits in the state of Texas
Not really, top Texas kids will still go to Texas and OU primarily.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 5:50 pm to thunderbird1100
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Not really, top Texas kids will still go to Texas and OU primarily.
We can agree to disagree I suppose.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 6:10 pm to AAM02
This is why I love reading TAMU fans in threads. They can be delusional but I love it when one like you comes in and needs to make 3 posts in succession of each other just to get a point across...
Posted on 7/22/11 at 6:17 pm to deuce985
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This is why I love reading TAMU fans in threads. They can be delusional but I love it when one like you comes in and needs to make 3 posts in succession of each other just to get a point across...
Jackson5 posted up 3 different responses in a short period of time and I'm too lazy to copy and paste to consolidate all his stuff. Didn't want him to think I was ignoring him either. :)
Posted on 7/22/11 at 6:39 pm to AAM02
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In other news, much of recruiting has to do with exposure. If A&M were to start playing against SEC states on a regular basis we'd have more of a presence there and prospects would be more likely to choose A&M than they would if we were playing in the Big XII. That's a pretty common sense concept and I'm sure y'all follow that.
if you are finishing 5th in the SEC West every year, I'm sure they'll be dying to go to A&M. This isn't the OU, Texas + a bunch of shitbags league that you're used to. shite, A&M can't even succeed in that conference.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 6:49 pm to thunderbird1100
Aggies have an inferiority complex against us because we mopped them up the first game of year for 25 years. Secondly, they actually think their red neck military style is appealing to lots of athletes,and that College Station is cool. It would help us more recruiting kids in TX than the other way around.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 7:00 pm to AAM02
Your kind sucks. That is all
Posted on 7/22/11 at 7:03 pm to Maximus
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if you are finishing 5th in the SEC West every year, I'm sure they'll be dying to go to A&M. This isn't the OU, Texas + a bunch of shitbags league that you're used to. shite, A&M can't even succeed in that conference.
That's not part of the plan. A&M is on the ups. We'll make it 6-1 next time we play you guys, with the Cotton Bowl being a fluke win for the Tigers. :)
Posted on 7/22/11 at 7:04 pm to 7 Moves
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Aggies have an inferiority complex against us because we mopped them up the first game of year for 25 years. Secondly, they actually think their red neck military style is appealing to lots of athletes,and that College Station is cool. It would help us more recruiting kids in TX than the other way around.
We are who we are. And if you know your own school's history you probably wouldn't be running smack about rednecks or the military.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 7:23 pm to AAM02
Assessing the impact on recruiting if A&M moves to the SEC is very tough. I'm sure your recruiting to the east would pick up, but it's going to be tough getting top 250 kind of guys...real tough. A&M's culture appeals to some, but it's going to be really foreign to most of these guys.
What I think you're underestimating is the impact of the SEC moving into TX en masse. Arkansas will be the biggest benefactor of this with it's historic ties to the state from the old SWC. One of the biggest competitive blows they had to deal with moving to the SEC was that their TX recruiting took a significant blow and they were limited on what they could pick up. On top of this you will now have some premier programs visiting the state every year and they will start raiding TX like the rest of the Big 12 does.
I think this will hurt teams outside of TX more than it will hit you, but it won't really let you expand. TX will be TX regardless, even if they have to go independent. If you come OK will probably come too. If we go to 14, we will probably go all the way to 16. I think FSU and North Carolina are the two most attractive in the east, but would they jump? If you guys leave then the Big 12 collapses and a couple more TX schools might make the most sense.
The point is that I don't think you will gain anything simply from the switch. You will have to improve your recruiting thru your ability to sell your school while facing a more difficult conference schedule. Not an easy sell, particularly given your location and culture.
What I think you're underestimating is the impact of the SEC moving into TX en masse. Arkansas will be the biggest benefactor of this with it's historic ties to the state from the old SWC. One of the biggest competitive blows they had to deal with moving to the SEC was that their TX recruiting took a significant blow and they were limited on what they could pick up. On top of this you will now have some premier programs visiting the state every year and they will start raiding TX like the rest of the Big 12 does.
I think this will hurt teams outside of TX more than it will hit you, but it won't really let you expand. TX will be TX regardless, even if they have to go independent. If you come OK will probably come too. If we go to 14, we will probably go all the way to 16. I think FSU and North Carolina are the two most attractive in the east, but would they jump? If you guys leave then the Big 12 collapses and a couple more TX schools might make the most sense.
The point is that I don't think you will gain anything simply from the switch. You will have to improve your recruiting thru your ability to sell your school while facing a more difficult conference schedule. Not an easy sell, particularly given your location and culture.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 7:31 pm to thunderbird1100
Wow that thread is hilarious!! Since I'm kinda new to recruiting and don't really consider myself a die-hard college football fan I never really got the whole "diilusional aggie fan thing" or the "texags laughing stock thing" until now. I always thought the aggie fans that were common posters on this board seemed mostly knowledgeable and respectful and I still do. But that thread was very ammusing. I really liked the they've been handing it to miles for years now post. And I also liked the - they will be the Florida of the SEC west and TWO years post. After two years in the SEC they will be running over the likes of LSU, Bama, Auburn, Arkansas , ole miss, Mississippi stayed, etc. Again just WOW!!
In all serious though I'm not one of those guys that throw out the certains. It could help them in recruiting and it could hurt them. Playing in the best conference in college ball and more national exposure if definately a draw to high school recruits. But in the end winning cures all and I'm not sure that they would do a lot of winning in the SEC. One can never say never but A&M sure would be playing a lot tougher schedule. I can't envision them winning more games in the SEC then they do in the big 12. Who knows, matter of fact who knows if we will ever have a chance to find out. But if I had to give an opinion, I would think that it would help them recruit a lil better but not enough to become a powerhouse, bit they might be able to get a few recruits the big dawgs want from time to time. Hey tiger fans, they might win a battle against LSU this year. Denzel Devall seems like he really wants to play in a 3-4. Scheme would be the reason but TAMU still might win one.
In all serious though I'm not one of those guys that throw out the certains. It could help them in recruiting and it could hurt them. Playing in the best conference in college ball and more national exposure if definately a draw to high school recruits. But in the end winning cures all and I'm not sure that they would do a lot of winning in the SEC. One can never say never but A&M sure would be playing a lot tougher schedule. I can't envision them winning more games in the SEC then they do in the big 12. Who knows, matter of fact who knows if we will ever have a chance to find out. But if I had to give an opinion, I would think that it would help them recruit a lil better but not enough to become a powerhouse, bit they might be able to get a few recruits the big dawgs want from time to time. Hey tiger fans, they might win a battle against LSU this year. Denzel Devall seems like he really wants to play in a 3-4. Scheme would be the reason but TAMU still might win one.
Posted on 7/22/11 at 8:29 pm to homeindadome
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Denzel Devall seems like he really wants to play in a 3-4. Scheme would be the reason but TAMU still might win one
Devall is essentially a lock to A&M. I wish he'd give MLB a serious look at Lsu but wants to try that infamous "jack" position that Von Miller had. I also read some time ago Devall was looking at depth charts. Lsu has signed 3 elite LBers in this class already in Feist, Louis, and Shiro. Also, I read he missed bamas camp last week and is probably not visiting this weekend either. I think he commits to the Ags shortly.
A&M can make an impact in La, but all things considered if Lsu lands LC, which all experts predict at this point, lsu would have landed 11 of the top 15 in state and 13 of top 15 targeted losing only Phillips and devall. Those are great numbers in state. It is not realistic to think you can win every battle.
This post was edited on 7/22/11 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 7/22/11 at 8:36 pm to thunderbird1100
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TexAgs
Are pretty confident for a team that hasn't won a national title since 1938 or sometime ages ago...
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