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GeauxTigerNation
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Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
So many people freaking out about recruits losing stars and whatever else.

Coaches evaluate players based on individual abilities. They dont just say "that kid has 5 stars lets go after him."

No, its about what kids fit YOUR system.

Rant over.
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Mr.Perfect
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
So there are numerous examples of 5 stars being squat and 2-3 stars being all pro. The sheer number of preps makes it impossible to get every grade correct.

I understand what you are trying to say but it’s only for the rare one off.

In general, recruiting success in terms of rankings does generally equal on field success


I-H8-BAMA
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
I'm pretty sure everyone already knows this.


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Penrod
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
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Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars


No shit! But the stars ARE based on the talent of the recruits.

Many examples can be found of a low rated player turning out great. But few examples can be found of a low rated class turning out great.

Usually, if you see a school with not-top-ten talent have a great season it's because they either played an easy schedule or had a superstar QB.


lsurapper
Member since Oct 2017
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
If you were an NFL GM, would you trade your first round draft picks for a couple of fourth round picks? It is not an exact science. Look at the playoff, these teams have perennial top 10 recruiting classes.


offshoretrash
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
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If you were an NFL GM, would you trade your first round draft picks for a couple of fourth round picks?


You can't compare the NFL draft with recruiting highschool players.

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Look at the playoff, these teams have perennial top 10 recruiting classes.


100% correct it's takes talent in this day and age to win. There are very few schemes that are going to win over talent.

I'm not sure why these threads keep popping up though. There is nothing wrong with this class. There is plenty of talent here to win a national championship. La is in a down year talent wise but there are some underrated players in this class. Just look at the highschool play-offs, a lot of the traditional powerhouse schools are at home watching.


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The Mick
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
Oh, this thread again. Stars don't matter etc...

It's ok to admit this isn't our strongest ever class, quit bullshitetin yourself.


ATLTiger24
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
What is Orgeron's "system"? It's wholly dependent on who he retains as coordinators since he has no personal system. So Ed needs the absolute best players possible and his primary attribute is recruiting those players. If he cannot do that he has very little chance of succeeding at LSU.


whitefoot
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
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Look at the playoff, these teams have perennial top 10 recruiting classes.

Oklahoma's average class ranking this decade is 13. Clemson's is 15. Ohio State's average is around 6. LSU's average class rank is under 7.

Maybe more goes into team success than a few spots in the rankings here and there? And maybe there isn't that much difference between the 7th ranked class and the 13th? Just a hypothesis, but the numbers seem to support it.


tigerfoot
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
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oaches evaluate players based on individual abilities. They dont just say "that kid has 5 stars lets go after him."
Show me a five star with no offers from all the major players.


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texastigerr
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
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In general, recruiting success in terms of rankings does generally equal on field success


If this was not true, you wouldn't see Alabama, Clemson having so much success. While many want to down play the importance of these rankings they do mean something. Especially as a team has injuries and attrition.


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lsurapper
Member since Oct 2017
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
This decade????? Tell me about their last 4 classes!


whitefoot
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
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This decade????? Tell me about their last 4 classes!

It's about the same.

2014-2017 Recruiting class averages:
Oklahoma average is 14 (14, 15, 19, 8)
Clemson average is 13 (16, 9, 11, 16)
Ohio State average is 4 (3, 7, 4, 2)
LSU average is 4 (2, 5, 2, 7)
Florida State average is 4 (4, 3, 3, 6)
Aabama average is 1 (obviously)
USC average is 6.5
Auburn average is 8
Georgia average is 5.75


The Mick
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
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What is Orgeron's "system"? It's wholly dependent on who he retains as coordinators since he has no personal system. So Ed needs the absolute best players possible and his primary attribute is recruiting those players. If he cannot do that he has very little chance of succeeding at LSU.
It's his very first year as coach, need to give it some time if you want to actually be objective. I wish we had more 5s and 4s rather than 3s this year but I'm not going to judge O by this one class. Regarding his coordinators and his system, LSU fans have been begging Les for years to let the coordinators do their jobs. O is doing just that and he's getting bashed for not being more involved.

I'm not a pro-O or anti-O guy but regardless if you like the hire, he needs time to either pass or fail.
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lsurapper
Member since Oct 2017
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
What if the big programs send money to the recruiting services for higher ranks?


Jimmiemac
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
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What if the big programs send money to the recruiting services for higher ranks?



They don't have to, big schools are what the subscription services cater to for obvious reasons so the more they pump those schools the more money they make.


The Mick
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
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They don't have to, big schools are what the subscription services cater to for obvious reasons so the more they pump those schools the more money they make.


Goldrush25
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
Star ratings generally correlate well with player talent.


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SlowurRole
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
Preach Mick


Section225
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re: Talent of recruits is NOT based on stars
"Talent of recruits is NOT based on star"

- that is something a loser would say who couldnt get the recruits they needed to win.


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