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re: Stephen Sullivan making decision this Saturday

Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:56 pm to
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:56 pm to
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IF he goes to TCU, he can be forgotten.

he'll go the way of Kevontae Turpin....

oh, wait....

Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:19 pm to
Yeah, all those LSU receivers are a lot better players than the two from TCU. They'd have been pretty good wherever they went to college.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:21 am to
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Yeah, all those LSU receivers are a lot better players than the two from TCU. They'd have been pretty good wherever they went to college.


You absolutely cannot say that for sure, but you'll try because it fits your agenda.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:23 am to
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he'll go the way of Kevontae Turpin....

oh, wait....


Let me know when he is an NFL all-pro.

In the LSU offense that you all love to deride, Malachi Dupre put up 602 on 39 catches and 6 TDs with an inexperienced true sophomore QB. Turpin had 584 on 40 and 8 with a redshirt senior QB.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 7:33 am
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:25 am to
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Brandon Lafell?


I thought I had added him. Good catch. Interesting that I left out an NFL receiver and the LSU list still shamed the TCU list.

Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 8:07 am to
The dumbasses will never get it. LSU is an NFL wide receiver farm club....but these stupid mfs can't grasp that.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 8:10 am to
You just proved our point jackass. The really good wrs come to LSU and make it big in the nfl. Thanks.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 8:11 am to
Hey smart guy...who you think goes higher when drafted? Your boy Turpin or Dupree? Lol
Posted by HFrog12
Dallas, TX
Member since Mar 2013
9 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:16 am to
Trying to be objective here because facts are facts. LSU has always put WRs in the NFL. As pointed out much more than TCU. However, I was just curious as to the athletes that LSU had to start with. Per Rivals...

LSU
Odell Beckham - 4 star (#6 WR)
Jarvis Landry - 5 star (#4 WR)
Rueben Randle - 5 star (#1 WR)
James Wright - 4 star (#42 WR)
Russell Shepard - 5 star (QB)
Dwayne Bowe - 4 star (#21 WR)
Brandon Lafell - 3 star (#32 WR)

TCU
Josh Boyce - 3 star (unranked)
Jeremy Kerley - 4 star (athlete)

The only other highly ranked TCU recruit in this time period was Ladarius Brown who was a 4 star athlete. Never finished at TCU because he got into the herm.

Just for fun with the Dupre and Turpin comparison
Malachi Dupre - 5 star (#2 WR)
Kevontae Turpin - 2 star (unranked)

My point is that TCU has never had the talent that LSU has gotten year after year. But TCU is about to put another unranked 3 star into the NFL in the first two rounds this year. I would love to see what a talent like Sullivan could do in the TCU offense.

And to answer your question Tigerinthehollow, Durpre will obviously go higher in the draft.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:40 am to
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Trying to be objective here because facts are facts


LSU
Brandon Lafell - 3 star - 275 rec - 3827 Yds
Odell Beckham - 4 star - 182 rec - 2701 yds - Rookie of the year, All-Pro
Dwayne Bowe - 4 star - 532 rec - 1 Pro Bowl


TCU
Josh Boyce - 3 star - 9 receptions
Jeremy Kerley - 4 star - 182 rec (5 seasons) 2225 yds

LSU 3-star > TCU 3-star
Both LSU 4-stars > TCU 4-star
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4876 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:49 am to
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My point is that TCU has never had the talent that LSU has gotten year after year. But TCU is about to put another unranked 3 star into the NFL in the first two rounds this year. I would love to see what a talent like Sullivan could do in the TCU offense.


The reason lsu produces GREAT n.f.l. wr's. Does not have as much to do with the catches as it does with the blocking. The NFL loves wr's who block. Who are physical and get off blocks.

LSU's brand of ball, is what develops the wr's even though they don't catch a lot. Look a D. Thomas and Megatron. They were forced to block a lot in college.

You want to be finesse, go to tcu or oregon.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:03 am to
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The reason lsu produces GREAT n.f.l. wr's. Does not have as much to do with the catches as it does with the blocking. The NFL loves wr's who block. Who are physical and get off blocks.

LSU's brand of ball, is what develops the wr's even though they don't catch a lot. Look a D. Thomas and Megatron. They were forced to block a lot in college.


They are also put into a more pro-style offense with principles similar to the NFL game. It's not just an endless barrage of zone routes that are rarely used in the NFL. As such, they are prepared for the NFL route-trees and what an NFL team expects from a WR.
Posted by HFrog12
Dallas, TX
Member since Mar 2013
9 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 1:19 pm to
Look they are all great points being made. I especially agree with the way LSU wide receivers block. I think that gives them a big edge in the NFL.

I was just responding to the statistics of both teams NFL wide receivers. Can you honestly say that both teams have been working with even close to the same talent? Look at the guys you just listed. They were all top 50 wide receiver recruits in the country. Josh Boyce was unranked and only other offer was SMU.

My point is, with the sample size of receivers we are using, TCU's best wide receiver recruit in that time frame wasn't even ranked as high as LSU's lowly 3 stars. When you are constantly getting 4 and 5 stars some are bound to be successful in the league.

LSU can say, "Stephen look at all these guys in the NFL, you could be another." TCU can say, "Stephen we don't have as many NFL guys but we have never recruited a talent like you." As a fan of both schools I think he would be successful at either. The real waste would be if he ended up at MSU.
Posted by BigSquirrel
Member since Jul 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 1:20 pm to
I have always enjoyed seeing the great HS WRs come to LSU. I really just want to see this guy play for the Tigers because he's so physically imposing. I understand wanting to go to a school that throws the ball more than LSU, but I think LSU is poised to do just that. Harris has two years left, that's one to get adjusted to SEC ball, and then his senior year to kill it while SS is a 2nd year guy. Then you'll have Guice to help you with play action your sophomore year as well. In particular this year is great if you're a WR looking at LSU, next year I wouldn't make that argument, but this year looks great.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28835 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 1:54 pm to
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NFL wide receivers:

TCU Josh Boyce Jeremy Kerley

LSU Odell Beckham Jarvis Landry Rueben Randle James Wright Russell Shepard Dwayne Bowe


Yeah we know this, but that still might not be enough. For a born and raised Louisiana boy, it is, but isn't Sullivan originally from Texas? Besides, TCU will start sending guys to the NFL at a good clip now.

TCU is about to send Listenbee and Doctson to the NFL. Turpin will go as soon as his time comes as well.

Another example is Clemson. Prior to 2013 from 2001-2010 they had a 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 4th rounder drafted. Only the first 1st rounder accomplished anything. From the 2013 and 2014 draft they've had a 1st, 1st, and 4th rounder. All three are ranked in the top 37 in yards and top 25 in TDs. Deon Cain will be a high draft pick and when Mike Williams comes back next year, he'll likely go in the top 2 rounds in the 2017 draft.

Baylor is another recent come up in WR drafts.


LSU will still send plenty of players to the draft and good WRs as well, but you need to realize other teams are on the come up.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28835 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:08 pm to
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In the LSU offense that you all love to deride, Malachi Dupre put up 602 on 39 catches and 6 TDs with an inexperienced true sophomore QB. Turpin had 584 on 40 and 8 with a redshirt senior QB.


Come on guy, use some perspective. Turpin was a true freshman and his yardage is only third on his team (well actually he's so close to second, you might as well say he is). The leading WR for TCU had 79 rec 1327 yards and 14 TDs in only 10 games. Our leading WR is Dupre and he has less than half the receptions, yards, and, TDs as TCU's #1 and he played an extra game.

If you're trying to compare our #1 leading WR who is a sophomore to the #2/3 leading WR at TCU who is a true freshman, you're actually making a good case for TCU. Their stats are identical.

Let me explain it to you guys. The fact is that Louisiana births excellent athletes. Randle, Beckham, Landry are all Louisiana guys. Doesn't matter if our passing sucks to high heaven as it does 90% of the time, the WRs are good. Look at Stanley Morgan at Nebraska, Jared Cornelius at Arkansas, aforementioned Turpin at TCU, Speedy Noil last year, Paul Turner who has been a success at Louisiana Tech, etc.

ETA: At least try to be reasonable and realize that TCU wasnt even a power 5 team until 4 years ago.

I'm not going to fault a guy going to TCU when LSU is loaded with 4 and 5 star talent at his position. Also that other school can not only get him on the field fast, but he can get a lot of catches his way as well.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:15 pm to
What is your intention here? Are you trying to make a case against LSU recruiting?
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28835 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:56 pm to
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What is your intention here? Are you trying to make a case against LSU recruiting?


Oh, and here it is right here. LSU fans are some of the most ridiculous around. You try to tell the truth with facts and be reasonable, it's "are you against LSU"? No, but I'm not a complete homer, and I'm not stupid.

You really think Georgia Tech prepared Optimus Prime and Megatron to be that great? Horrible passing in Megatron's days and triple option in Prime's days made them great? Hell no. As a matter of fact, Thomas thought of transferring when they brought in the triple option attack (he was a redshirt sophomore in Paul Johnson's 1st year). Before he was in the option offense (where he dominated as a RSJR) he was a All-ACC 1st teamed and an honerable mention freshman All-American.

They were already physically blessed before going to GT and chose that school mostly because of academics (passing up an offer to Georgia).

So yes even though LSU yearly has one of the worst passing offenses in the country, we still put out great WRs to the NFL.
Posted by SanJoseTigerFan
San Jose, CA
Member since Feb 2013
2388 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:20 pm to
Ask DALSU if he is coming
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
20890 posts
Posted on 12/25/15 at 8:05 pm to
Always kinda felt like he was gonna commit back to LSU, just seems like the type that enjoys the attention. I guess we will see.
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