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re: Something to watch on LSU vs Alabama football recruiting

Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:11 am to
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:11 am to
rocky1 wrote:
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Sooners still have a big question mark.

IMO, Oklahoma is lot more interesting than Texas. I think we all know if Texas has a decent coaching staff/evaluations, etc, Texas is going to be good every year. Even though Oklahoma is recruiting well so far this 2025 class, I am going to see if they stay really good as they were in the Big 12 year in and year out or are they going to be the new Arkansas. Arkansas the last 20 years has made the SEC CG game 1 time. Alabama has done it many times, LSU several times, Auburn multiple times.

Captain Crown wrote:
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I didn’t mean like they’re going be a Bama dynasty but they’ll be the new thorn in the side like Bama

Glad you clarified your original response statement which seemed to certainly imply they were going to be the next Alabama/dynasty. No way do I believe that and you just said in the quoted post you don't believe that either.
Posted by Ramsey Dardar 1982
Member since Apr 2019
726 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:25 pm to
While you’re technically correct, that’s not my point.

What Spurier was pointing out is that the level of weekly competition that you face with an SEC schedule is way more difficult than Texas ever faced before in the Big 12 or the SWC.

For example, it doesn’t matter whether schools that we have always played, like ARKANSAS, STATE, OLE MISS & KENTUCKY, are having a successful season, each program has enough talent and pride that playing all of them, plus BAMA, AUBURN FLORIDA & A&M, as we usually have, is a brutal schedule. You’re not coming through that run unscathed, so you better be deep and mentally tough, or you’re dead.

I just don’t see any evidence of TEXAS having ever displayed either, but I could be wrong…


GEAUX TIGERS!!!

Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:50 pm to
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What Spurier was pointing out is that the level of weekly competition that you face with an SEC schedule is way more difficult than Texas ever faced before in the Big 12 or the SWC....
You’re not coming through that run unscathed, so you better be deep and mentally tough, or you’re dead.


There are a couple of reasons the SEC is tougher than the Big 12...one is the number of quality teams you have to play. The second reason is depth is much more important. IMO, Arkansas for example has pretty good starters. The problem is once some players get injured, many times they have garbage backups. K J Jefferson is a perfect example at QB. When he got hurt, the QB wasn't even HS quality. Compare to LSU when Daniels was backed up by Nussmeier, and this year I expect a competent backup to emerge to GN.

Texas IMO can survive injuries for example a lot better than Oklahoma can.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5007 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:03 pm to
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ARKANSAS, STATE, OLE MISS & KENTUCKY,


All these guys schools finish in the top 25-30 in recruiting each year

The bottom of the big 12 finishes in the 50s and 60s

Thats the major difference.

Even the Big 10 who is considered the the next best conference has multiple teams that don't finish in the top 50 in recruiting rankings
Posted by TwoDatBait
Northshore, LA
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:08 pm to
So we aren’t getting better they’re just getting worse?
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3343 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 5:25 pm to
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Dominate like Bama has the past 15, no. But they will be at the top. They have a damn good coach


I’m not sold on this. Ten years as a head coach including stints at USC and Washington but only a single season with double digit wins.

Pretty sure the situation he walked into at Texas wasn’t bad, yet he had a losing season his first year and went 8-5 his second.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1125 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:48 pm to
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So we aren’t getting better they’re just getting worse?


Both. Alabama's Top 50 signee numbers are going down while LSU's most likely will go up...from 2 in 2023 and 2 in 2024 to hopefully 3 in 2025 and perhaps as many as 5 depending on Lockett and Pickett.
Posted by FireawayLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2023
174 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:37 pm to
It will take Texas and OU a half a decade to adjust to the pounding of week in week out the SEC dishes out. There are ZERO games where they will play 250lb o and d lines like they’ve done for 30 years.
Posted by Ramsey Dardar 1982
Member since Apr 2019
726 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 3:15 am to
I agree!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Posted by Joecaster06
Salt Lake
Member since Oct 2016
491 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 8:40 am to
The defense improving is not guaranteed. We really don't know how far we fell behind. Hopefully it is a quick fix but we don't know the whole issues.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12379 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 8:41 am to
Dude has won all but 2 games the last 3 years and was back to back champs, and likely the best squad last season who lost at an inopportune time. A dynasty like Bamas had never been seen before so expecting someone to equal that to be considered a good coach is asinine. I'd trade Kelly and players to be named later for Smart right now. That guy will leave UGA on his own terms and as one of the greatest coaches the sport has seen. Not bad for a terrible GameDay coach wouldn't you say?
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26628 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:41 pm to
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I could be wrong, but I think Ewers is going to end up being a lot better than “mid” this season
I don't see it. Kid is now in his fourth year, but has looked mediocre the last two years. He has the talent, but if you really watch him, it's hard to see anything more than decent. Also, even though they have loaded back up on talent, it is not close to the level they had last season.

Dude had a gold mine of weapons. For deep for receiving and 3 deep at RB. Three great receiving options at RB. The Bama game is a ridiculous outlier. Dude had a 7 game stretch where he threw 9 TDs to 5 ints. That's with a ridiculously loaded offensive roster. His best game was vs Oklahoma St, which was 126 out of 133 in pass defense.

I just don't see him doing it. I could see the elevation in Daniels and preached it all offseason before it happened. I just do not see it from Ewers.

Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26628 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:51 pm to
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Dominate like Bama has the past 15, no. But they will be at the top.

They have a damn good coach

They will get SEC players that didn’t want to play in B12

We are in the NIL world.

It’s not 2014

When Texas and Oklahoma were duking it out in the 2000s, Texas won the conference twice in 11 years. Oklahoma won it 7 times. They owned Texas recruiting because Baylor hadn't popped and even when Tech was good, they didn't recruit good. Texas has taken 2 top players from Louisiana (as in rankings) since Sark has gotten over there, and they have done absolutely nothing with them.

Bo Davis is gone from Texas. In case you didn't know, Texas's pass defense was legit as bad as LSU's. They have offensive weapons, but they are wasted on those QBs.

Just like TAMU, Texas will have to show me. I have never seen it from them in my life time, and I'm in my 30s.
Posted by tallamander34
Member since Oct 2017
902 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:55 pm to
Elite take DBB
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
35371 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 2:59 pm to
I could definitely see Texas recruiting at a very high level in the SEC.

Can they develop that talent? That remains to be seen.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26628 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

The defense improving is not guaranteed. We really don't know how far we fell behind. Hopefully it is a quick fix but we don't know the whole issues.
I'm not saying this year. What I'm stating is that, the LSU defense of old will return with a modern day offense to match. This is something we've rarely had together. Look at the defensive recruits we are in on. Look at the defensive coaching staff and their pedigree. Brian Kelly had a bad defense at ND, fired the guy and then got Elko who took the defense from 61st to 31st in one season. He then left and Clark Lea was promoted from LB coach. The next 3 years Notre Dame finished 13th, 12th, and 14th in the country.

I 100% believe in Kelly and the coaches.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26628 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 3:45 pm to
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Dude has won all but 2 games the last 3 years and was back to back champs, and likely the best squad last season who lost at an inopportune time. A dynasty like Bamas had never been seen before so expecting someone to equal that to be considered a good coach is asinine. I'd trade Kelly and players to be named later for Smart right now. That guy will leave UGA on his own terms and as one of the greatest coaches the sport has seen. Not bad for a terrible GameDay coach wouldn't you say?
I'd hold off on the nut hugging if I were you. Smart built his brand on the back of Nick Saban for 15 years. Every big time Nick disciple started with elite recruiting at their new spot. Kirby Smart was an UGA grad, his recruiting base is freaking Georgia, UGA was a 10 win team the year before he got there, and he didn't have to deal with NIL and the portal starting out.

Kelly had the stigma of leaving ND. He was a career yankee who came to the bayou "so how could he fit in", they would say. He had absolutely zero idea how to recruit down in the south, so he's learning as he goes. There was a mass exodus after Ed O was fired leaving 39 scholarship players. Speaking of that, LSU went 11-11 in the prior 2 seasons (1990s era stuff), and the transfer portal was the reason why we lost all that.

See unlike Louisiana, Georgia is massive in talent. It's like Florida and Texas. You can take a few kids, but there are plenty to go around. However what's different with Georgia, they only have Bama and Clemson who are real threats there, and a couple of poached kids don't do much in the grand scheme. Compared to Louisiana, we have money bags in TAMU and Texas right beside us, Saban is always poaching, and Ole Miss is trying to sneak a nugget out the 10 piece. With only about 20 four stars tops in a year, losing 15 of them is crazy. It would be the equivalent of losing 29 of the 39 4 star+ players in Georgia in that same year. UGA only got 8 of the top 15 that year, but they were all top 150 recruits. A QB, TE, 2 DL, 2 CB, 1 LB, and 1 Edge. Look at the defensive recruits. No wonder they can be so dominant there. If Louisiana produced DL and CBs at the rate they used to, then we'd already be back on track.

Give Kelly 5 years and LSU will be a perennial top 5 team. UGA and Smart are indeed elite, but let's not forget the advantages Smart had in comparison.
This post was edited on 4/20/24 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Joecaster06
Salt Lake
Member since Oct 2016
491 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 4:28 pm to
Yeah man I love the defensive staff but there is a lot of work to do. Talent and technique, scheme. The young dbs are gonna struggle and get tested a bunch and the good OCs are gonna find Burns. Just tackle guys.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
1135 posts
Posted on 4/21/24 at 6:41 am to
I noticed similar results looking at On3, which seems to be a better gauge than 247 these days. It " pokes my heart" to see Bama fall like they are. Lol..
Posted by Joecaster06
Salt Lake
Member since Oct 2016
491 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 7:48 am to
Lol
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