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re: So how does Dabo get away with telling recruits,
Posted on 1/3/20 at 7:38 am to Tigershine
Posted on 1/3/20 at 7:38 am to Tigershine
Great point....
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Posted on 1/3/20 at 8:08 am to luciouslou
you want kids to sign irrevocably whenever they are ready.
committment followed by teasing two more schools is not committment.
committment followed by teasing two more schools is not committment.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 8:31 am to luciouslou
Dabo just telling them don’t commit unless ur 100% in, A kid can still take all of his visits before he commits, I wish we adapt this system.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 8:41 am to luciouslou
Because he's winning
Wouldn't work if he wasn't
Wouldn't work if he wasn't
Posted on 1/3/20 at 8:46 am to WITCH DOCTOR
yeah and you could say something like do you still go on dates after you get married? I think this is a smart move, but it would also necessitate a change in tactics in regards to processing recruits if better ones want to commit IMO, which I would be fine with.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 8:58 am to luciouslou
BS, if coaches can process players then they can take visits.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:19 am to WITCH DOCTOR
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I agree but I think Dabo tells them dont commit, if you are not 100% sure. If you are sure commit, but no more visits...
Pretty straightforward, then there is NO misunderstandings...
This is the crucial part of it, and I think Orgeron needs to look at taking a similar approach.
If you commit you shut it down or LSU is pulling the offer. If you don't want to shut it down, don't commit.
Pretty simple.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:21 am to luciouslou
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that if they visit elsewhere they lose their offer? Why can't we do that?
We can’t because Bama, A&M and others would eat us alive with negative recruiting. In a more competitive recruiting area, it puts you at a disadvantage. And if they ever slip, that philosophy becomes unsustainable.
Dabo gets away with it because USC sucks right now and his conference is a joke. He has no competition outside of UGA in that region right now.
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 9:23 am
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:25 am to RB10
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This is the crucial part of it, and I think Orgeron needs to look at taking a similar approach.
If you commit you shut it down or LSU is pulling the offer. If you don't want to shut it down, don't commit.
Won’t work if you drop long time commits like we did this cycle. No one would buy what you are selling.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:28 am to Good Times
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You can do this kind of thing when you’re on top. Everyone wants to grab a spot on the 25. Slip a little and that will change for some. But once you establish that reputation while on top, it will coast a while in effectiveness.
Exactly, you can do this while on TOP
However, if you start to fall, you have to change (reality)
But use it or lose it....
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:29 am to BeeFense5
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Won’t work if you drop long time commits like we did this cycle. No one would buy what you are selling.
I think Coach O also needs to take a hard look at what happened this year. I understand going after bigger fish, but dropping good players to do it isn't always going to work out for the better.
ETA: I don't think he or the staff did anything wrong. I think they just go caught up in all of the positive momentum and it ended up burning them a little bit this year.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush is a popular sentiment for a reason.
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 9:31 am
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:29 am to luciouslou
Because the word "commit" is lost on some of these kids. Don't commit until you're committed.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:31 am to misey94
You realize they recruit kids across the country don't you? They go against all the big boys for the kids they get.
They have a Carroll/USC thing going on where that offer is coveted. They dont throw around offers like we and most other schools do. That's part of what allows Dabo to hold to the visit thing. It'll change eventually. The right kid will come along to blow it all up.
They have a Carroll/USC thing going on where that offer is coveted. They dont throw around offers like we and most other schools do. That's part of what allows Dabo to hold to the visit thing. It'll change eventually. The right kid will come along to blow it all up.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:33 am to Sailin Tiger
There's nothing sleazy about Clemson's policy at all as long as they are being consistent. What's sleazy is a recruit saying he's committed but waiting until the day of signing to sign with someone else.
It's a red flag if a recruit thinks it's ok to lie to a team. One isn't "committed" if he wants to entertain other offers.
It's a red flag if a recruit thinks it's ok to lie to a team. One isn't "committed" if he wants to entertain other offers.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:36 am to RB10
I think this would be the best way to go about it. Look around all you want. Take all the visits you want. Shop around but when you commit, that's it. No more shopping around. If you're still taking visits then that's shows you're not sure. If you're uncertain about us then we're uncertain about you.
I think these kids should take all the visits they can. Get out there and see the country. The problem is that some of these kids fall in love with every other school they visit and they commit far too early.
I think these kids should take all the visits they can. Get out there and see the country. The problem is that some of these kids fall in love with every other school they visit and they commit far too early.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:36 am to lsufanva
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You realize they recruit kids across the country don't you? They go against all the big boys for the kids they get. They have a Carroll/USC thing going on where that offer is coveted. They dont throw around offers like we and most other schools do. That's part of what allows Dabo to hold to the visit thing. It'll change eventually. The right kid will come along to blow it all up.
I understand they are national right now, but every school has a home base they recruit hard and that they depend on for depth and for “fallback” guys. Theirs is the Carolinas and Georgia and there’s obviously a LOT of talent over there. I’m just saying it would be a hell of a lot harder use his recruiting philosophy if they had real recruiting competition other than one school there in their home area.
And this only works if you are winning big. If they slip and have some 7-9 win seasons, that offer loses its luster and they are back to being just another school. But that also goes back to how shitty thief conference is right now.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:38 am to bignic26
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I think this would be the best way to go about it. Look around all you want. Take all the visits you want. Shop around but when you commit, that's it. No more shopping around. If you're still taking visits then that's shows you're not sure. If you're uncertain about us then we're uncertain about you.
I think these kids should take all the visits they can. Get out there and see the country. The problem is that some of these kids fall in love with every other school they visit and they commit far too early.
Exactly. If I were a big time recruit I would be visiting as many schools as would have me so I don't blame these kids at all.
The only thing that bothers me is the whole committing as a sophomore or junior, decommitting, committing to another school, decommitting again. Just don't commit to anyone until you're ready to put pen to paper.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:39 am to bignic26
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I think this would be the best way to go about it. Look around all you want. Take all the visits you want. Shop around but when you commit, that's it. No more shopping around. If you're still taking visits then that's shows you're not sure. If you're uncertain about us then we're uncertain about you.
Do you really think this would work as long as Saban is at Bama? I will never believe that’s possible. He would use it to his advantage and pull top guys in on late visits to put O in the position to put up or shut up. It’s like tying one hand behind your back competing with him.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:43 am to misey94
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Do you really think this would work as long as Saban is at Bama? I will never believe that’s possible. He would use it to his advantage and pull top guys in on late visits to put O in the position to put up or shut up. It’s like tying one hand behind your back competing with him.
If LSU wins the NCG, they will have some leverage. It's not about shunning kids, it's just about letting them know that the staff doesn't want to hear the word "committed" until they're ready to shut down their recruitment process.
That's really all Dabo is doing at Clemson. He's just telling the recruits not to "commit" to Clemson until their ready to shut it down completely.
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:53 am to RB10
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That's really all Dabo is doing at Clemson. He's just telling the recruits not to "commit" to Clemson until their ready to shut it down completely.
Winning a title would help, but I still believe guys like Saban and Jimbo would use such a philosophy change to their advantage.
I had never shown any inclination towards this, so this is likely a moot point.
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