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re: Sell me on DE Lewis Neal ?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 8:44 pm to Gravitiger
Posted on 6/27/12 at 8:44 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
There was a rumor that Prevot came in at only 6'2" at a camp recently, well below his reported height of 6'4".
And that matters why???
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Posted on 6/27/12 at 9:09 pm to Tigerhouse
quote:
And that matters why???
Well that means his frame is smaller and his potential to add weight is lessened.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 9:55 pm to GABlueDog
Superb post, GABlueDog!! 
I agree with almost every word you said about both Neal and Prevot. The ONLY thing I might change is I think the 40 time is well off. I don't know what your "little off" means, but I would say the guy is 4.7 or 4.75. That is "well off" IMO 4.9 even though the math difference isn't a ton...makes a lot of difference on the football field.
Other than that minor difference of opinion, you summed up the players better than I could have, guy. I like you would take Neal in the class UNLESS LSU got a hot streak and starting getting most of the guys above him. We all know that everybody is not going to start. As I said once before, I saw C. Aguayere in HS play and he was so quick he went UNTOUCHED between the OL. But his weight lifts were that of a DB and apparently the guy never got stronger...and it shows when he comes in for some plays in several games. He doesn't get embarassed or anything but he is hardly an impact DL either.
I agree with almost every word you said about both Neal and Prevot. The ONLY thing I might change is I think the 40 time is well off. I don't know what your "little off" means, but I would say the guy is 4.7 or 4.75. That is "well off" IMO 4.9 even though the math difference isn't a ton...makes a lot of difference on the football field. Other than that minor difference of opinion, you summed up the players better than I could have, guy. I like you would take Neal in the class UNLESS LSU got a hot streak and starting getting most of the guys above him. We all know that everybody is not going to start. As I said once before, I saw C. Aguayere in HS play and he was so quick he went UNTOUCHED between the OL. But his weight lifts were that of a DB and apparently the guy never got stronger...and it shows when he comes in for some plays in several games. He doesn't get embarassed or anything but he is hardly an impact DL either.
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 6/27/12 at 10:09 pm to BRUNNIN4
Prevot measured 6'3 200 at the Rivals thing this weekend.
My comparison for Prevot is more Tahj Jones than Mingo in regards to size. Prevot has a litlle height on Jones but both are long,lean body types. Mingo is as well but has an extra 2 inches on Prevot. Mingo's body was much more weight capable than Prevot's is. I imagine that Moffit has gotten a look at Prevot in person and on film and let the coaches know his opinion on the weight issue. Just a guess though since the S and C aspect of recruiting doesn't get any pub. Difference between Jones/Mingo and Prevot is that Jones and Mingo both are exceptional athletes with major speed. Prevot has both but isn't in the same class of speed as Mingo/Jones. Prevot did supposedly look good playing LB at Cal's camp so maybe he could play there if necessary. They run a 3-4 though so I'm not exactly sure what kind of responsibilities they put on their OLBs.
As for Neal, I have no real issue with his height,though it's not typical for a DE, but with his basically nonexistent ceiling. He's pretty much what he's going to be in college in regards to physical talent. He'll improve with coaching but he can't get much bigger or faster. Ohio St is recruiting him specifically at LB so he must have a little better movement than some think. Word I've heard from many is that he has excellent short area athleticism and is quick off the ball. I would have no issue with taking Neal though I would rather have Prevot. With Herron,Patterson and Williams we'll have plenty of long, prototypical DEs to put on the field. If Neal is a LB then I have the same issues with him as I do with Beckwith. I have no issues with either at DE but would rather have Beckwith.(the point of this is that they are similar in size and similar in where their skills best fit position wise. Both belong at DE. Beckwith just happens to want to play LB and our staff is giving him what he wants at this time. Neal knows where he fits best.)
My comparison for Prevot is more Tahj Jones than Mingo in regards to size. Prevot has a litlle height on Jones but both are long,lean body types. Mingo is as well but has an extra 2 inches on Prevot. Mingo's body was much more weight capable than Prevot's is. I imagine that Moffit has gotten a look at Prevot in person and on film and let the coaches know his opinion on the weight issue. Just a guess though since the S and C aspect of recruiting doesn't get any pub. Difference between Jones/Mingo and Prevot is that Jones and Mingo both are exceptional athletes with major speed. Prevot has both but isn't in the same class of speed as Mingo/Jones. Prevot did supposedly look good playing LB at Cal's camp so maybe he could play there if necessary. They run a 3-4 though so I'm not exactly sure what kind of responsibilities they put on their OLBs.
As for Neal, I have no real issue with his height,though it's not typical for a DE, but with his basically nonexistent ceiling. He's pretty much what he's going to be in college in regards to physical talent. He'll improve with coaching but he can't get much bigger or faster. Ohio St is recruiting him specifically at LB so he must have a little better movement than some think. Word I've heard from many is that he has excellent short area athleticism and is quick off the ball. I would have no issue with taking Neal though I would rather have Prevot. With Herron,Patterson and Williams we'll have plenty of long, prototypical DEs to put on the field. If Neal is a LB then I have the same issues with him as I do with Beckwith. I have no issues with either at DE but would rather have Beckwith.(the point of this is that they are similar in size and similar in where their skills best fit position wise. Both belong at DE. Beckwith just happens to want to play LB and our staff is giving him what he wants at this time. Neal knows where he fits best.)
Posted on 6/27/12 at 10:13 pm to Milesthebest
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I saw C. Aguayere in HS play and he was so quick he went UNTOUCHED between the OL. But his weight lifts were that of a DB and apparently the guy never got stronger...and it shows when he comes in for some plays in several games. He doesn't get embarassed or anything but he is hardly an impact DL either.
Yea, Aguayere was a man among boys at Garland. I thought he and Tevin Jackson, the Garland LB that committed to Texas the following year, would be great college players. I thought both would gain a bunch of weight early and play a couple of good years of great college ball. Jackson had injury and grade problems that caused him to sit out his true freshman year. Aguayere hasn't gotten much bigger under Moffit and Jackson hasn't gained any weight under Madden. Hard to believe.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 10:19 pm to bopper50
Chavis and Miles want him, Urban Meyer wants him. Therefore you want him
Posted on 6/27/12 at 10:45 pm to Gravitiger
Sonic Sam is 260lbs now
Mingo was 6'5 209 coming out of HS. 239 now.
Prevot is currently btw 200-210 @ 6'4
Post facts people.
Mingo was 6'5 209 coming out of HS. 239 now.
Prevot is currently btw 200-210 @ 6'4
Post facts people.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 11:58 pm to bryankroy
quote:My facts came directly from the official LSU roster. If you have a problem with them, take it up with the SID. People.
Post facts people.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 8:45 am
Posted on 6/28/12 at 7:35 am to bryankroy
quote:Take em to school Bryan!
Post facts people
Posted on 6/28/12 at 7:54 am to TJRibMe
quote:
Chavis and Miles want him, Urban Meyer wants him. Therefore you want him
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2013 Recruiting Wishlist: 1.) Greg Gilmore 2.) Torrodney Prevot 3.) Priest Willis 4.) Desean Smith 5.) Tim Williams
It does not look like you want him by looking at your 2013 Recruiting wishlist ?
Posted on 6/28/12 at 8:09 am to bopper50
A recruit being shorter than he is listed. This is a big surprise. 
It will only count when and if they make it to the NFL combine when they measure them to the 1/8 of an inch. So more than likely he is 6'1 7/8. 
It will only count when and if they make it to the NFL combine when they measure them to the 1/8 of an inch. So more than likely he is 6'1 7/8. This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 8:11 am
Posted on 6/28/12 at 8:24 am to Nissanmaxima
I think it's funny when some mention that he has reached his potential or has no ceiling. How exactly would you know that??? This kid may not get much taller at all, but that doesn't mean he can't get better at learning the position and playing it. When he gets to college, he'll get bigger, stronger, and faster with better technique. I think this kid could turn into a monster personally.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 9:54 am to lsufanva
Tahj Jones is not an exceptional athlete on some different level than Prevot. Neither are as good as Mingo, but I agree w/ you that he might have a more difficult time putting on weight than Mingo, who's still a bit undersized.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 9:57 am
Posted on 6/28/12 at 12:51 pm to chinese58
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Yea, Aguayere was a man among boys at Garland. I thought he and Tevin Jackson, the Garland LB that committed to Texas the following year, would be great college players. I thought both would gain a bunch of weight early and play a couple of good years of great college ball. Jackson had injury and grade problems that caused him to sit out his true freshman year. Aguayere hasn't gotten much bigger under Moffit and Jackson hasn't gained any weight under Madden. Hard to believe.
When I saw Aguayere, he was only playing about 40% of the defensive snaps. This was his SR year and if you remember, he had major knee surgery several months earlier, he had already committed to LSU so no need to try to get more, and Garland had the game well in hand. But he literally used to line up at the last second on one side of the line or the other. That made it a nightmare for the OL to try to block the guy since he was too quick for them and didn't even know where he was coming from. HOWEVER, my brother and I both wondered how strong he was since he never had to go through anyone and once I saw his CB caliber weight lifting stats, I knew he had to get stronger in college or he wouldn't be the player he was in HS. You don't see DL run between OL in the SEC very often.
I didn't think that CA would be All-American or anything, but if he got stronger AND kept his speed, I thought he had a chance to make all-SEC his SR season or something. Well, for whatever reason, he hasn't gotten stronger that I can see.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 12:58 pm to Milesthebest
quote:
Mingo was 6'5 209 coming out of HS. 239 now.
Prevot is currently btw 200-210 @ 6'4
I only saw Mingo in HS at the All American Game or maybe the Under Armour Game...don't remember which one and it doesn't really matter since both were televised so it could have been either. As I remember, he or someone blocked a FG/PAT and he was running down the sidelines with the ball after that and looked fast of course. I could see Prevot making EXACTLY the same play...he has THAT kind of ability. Watch the blocked punt on the free video on him. The bottom line is I agree that his physical stats are almost the same as Mingo and I see the same quality. When Prevot was rated a 5.6 early by Rivals, I knew he was AT LEAST a medium 4* which is where he is right now on Rivals AND I knew that LSU was going to have a lot of company in offers. I put him in the same class as Mingo and better than T. Jones. Once again, I'm comparing apples vs apples...all 3 players in their SR HS season.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 1:08 pm to Milesthebest
Hard to believe Prevot won't have a spot no matter what.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 1:39 pm to bopper50
Hes not in my top 5..?
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:37 pm to whodidthat
In the clips I saw of him at one of the camps he, along with Lawson, and Lewis, really stood out. Lawso (AU I believe, how I don't know) looked like an animal that could play inside or outside. Lewis actually looked like he had the most upside of the group and looked pretty lengthy, which I like from a DE. And Neal just looked like a very strong, quick guy with great burst and balance.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 8:26 pm to BASED
quote:
Hes not in my top 5..?
2013 Recruiting Wishlist: 1.) Greg Gilmore 2.) Torrodney Prevot 3.) Priest Willis 4.) Desean Smith 5.) Tim Williams
I have no problem with that list but once again, 3 of those are DL. LSU probably needs to sign about 7...so far they only have 3, and personally if they can get 8 and THEN switch Lawson to OL as he could end up there, that would knock it down to 7. Of course, Lawson's switch to OL would have to be OK with him, but I still want LSU to sign more than 3 OL...they need a 4th IMO from somewhere. It could be a non-Lawson or it could be Lawson who I've heard can be on either side of the ball. LSU in in on what...about 8 more DL that we have a decent chance on. I would like to get 4 of those to make 7 total or 5 if Lawson were to go to OL.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 6/28/12 at 9:04 pm to Tiger Authority
Yep. Plus those two clips of him are against one of the best O-linemen for next years recruiting class.
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