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re: Ruffin Rodrigue on instate recruiting

Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:16 pm to
Posted by hypnos
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:16 pm to
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Yea.. Warrick Dunn is a prime example



Given his special situation, I'm pretty sure he is the exception to the rule.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
14595 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:27 pm to
some of you guys are naive, if you don't think this happens you are living in make believe world
Posted by clhstrojans
Lockport
Member since Apr 2008
821 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:37 pm to
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in a richer /better state (California)


California has been teetering on the verge of bankruptcy for years now. Richer state my arse.

Posted by ElderTiger
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2010
7399 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:54 pm to
Generally, if you play for your instate school, you have the name recognition and the fact that you stayed instate that will help you after you are out of school. At some point, you still have to produce at the job or you are not going to be there very long.
There are some rather prominent exceptions that I know personally that went out of state and are now back. One is doing very well and the other, I'm not so sure. Both are back in the towns where they grew up.
If I was a recruiter, my pitch to the prospect would be simply that if they go out of state and do well, you will be a hero...if you stay instate, you will be a legend.
Cases in point...John David Crow...Billy Cannon
Everybody knows who Billy Cannon is...tell someone about John David Crow and the first response is usually "he's from Louisiana?"
Posted by ElderTiger
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2010
7399 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:57 pm to
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My son went to school with LC. If he broke down in front of my house in the pouring rain on a 34 degree night I'd tell him to keep walking


That is probably a little extreme.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
Member since Dec 2008
32534 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:12 pm to
I didn't read all the posts in this thread, but for people like TN Bhoy who think this is ridiculous, here is my counterpoint.

People like Warrick Dunn and Matt Mauck are extreme outliers among college football athletes. The vast majority of college football players who are recruited have no place in a university, and the data bears this out. Back in Urban's best years at Florida, the average SAT (two part) on the team was below an 800. I would be shocked if it is above a 900 on LSU. These are abysmal, abysmal scores, and it's obvious that the vast majority of guys can't do any legitimate schoolwork at the university. That is one of the main reasons why they are all taking bullshite majors where tutors do their work. Having essentially a 40 hour a week job playing football certainly doesn't make it any easier.

Therefore, we see that the vast majority of scholarship players at schools outside of Stanford, Duke, Rice, Northwestern, etc can't really be hired for the types of jobs college graduates generally want and apply for. The only way they can be hired (outside of exceptions like Mauck and Dunn, if he chooses to work) is by hoping that their name recognition helps them out in a sales job or by hoping that a benevolent booster will help them out after their playing days. Benevolent boosters are generally more likely to help out local guys they've followed in high school, although that's not always the case.

TL;DR: Almost none of these guys are qualified for good jobs in the first place. So it isn't as if players are being discriminated against for not playing at LSU. Instead, people aren't bending over backwards to hire them when they are underqualified in the first place and chose to go elsewhere for football. Those guys have to hope benevolent boosters will look out for them in College Station, Gainesville, Tuscaloosa, etc.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48701 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:18 pm to
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Yea.. Warrick Dunn is a prime example


Dunn doesn't live in LA

Posted by Bayoufightingtiger
Member since Aug 2011
4608 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:25 pm to
Half of these guys will never hold a real job anywhere. Most are one injury away from working for Ruffin at Ruffinos
Posted by lsutothetop
TigerDroppings Elite
Member since Jul 2008
11323 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:31 pm to
This argument is so goddamn stupid.

Say I go to A&M instead of LSU. Yeah, ok, I won't have a job somewhere locked up after college in Baton Rouge. So? I can go to Houston or Dallas and find an Aggie somewhere. Houston and Dallas >> BR.

Florida? There'll be a Gator somewhere in Tallahassee or Miami. Not as easy to find as an Aggie in Houston/Dallas, but they're there.

Alabama? I'm sure I can go anywhere in the state, though that does suggest the followup question "why would I want to settle down in Alabama?".

Point is, there are the same opportunities at any major program with which we'd be competing for recruits. LSU doesn't provide any more opportunity on that front. It may provide it closer to home, but if that were such an important factor, why leave in the first place?

And to the tryhard dipshit saying he would never do business with someone who hired a Louisiana football player that went to school elsewhere, grow the frick up. Letting something as petty as where an 18-year-old chooses to go to college guide your business decision is fricking childish.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
Member since Dec 2008
32534 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:35 pm to
This is operating under the assumption that boosters will treat local guys and out-of-state guys equally.

Considering how provincial many college boosters are, I don't think it's a fair assumption.
Posted by npt817
Prairieville, LA
Member since Sep 2010
1608 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:46 pm to
I think his point is more to the guys who don't find success at the next level. They tend to come back home where their family is and he is saying if they do come back, no one will be racing over with a job offer to help them out. And I for one see nothing wrong with that.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30606 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:47 pm to
I can see him saying that about an Alabama degree. However, if Willis gets a UF degree, he will be able to work in any state he wants, if he gets a decently respectable degree.
Posted by npt817
Prairieville, LA
Member since Sep 2010
1608 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:58 pm to
Another point to consider is how in state recruits family members are treated. Case in point, a former tigers uncles comes by my office every other week to wash cars. Does an OK job but nothing spectacular. But he gets a ton of business with us and I'm sure other offices in town because we can shoot the shite with him about his nephew, have gotten a few items autographed and in general feel like we are helping a former tiger out by doing business with his family member. Now if his nephew hadn't gone to LSU myself and my coworkers would detail our own cars.
Posted by npt817
Prairieville, LA
Member since Sep 2010
1608 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:00 pm to
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However, if Willis gets a UF degree, he will be able to work in any state he wants, if he gets a decently respectable degree.


What is Florida's graduation rate for their football team?
Posted by Cincinnati Bowtie
Sparta
Member since May 2008
11951 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:05 pm to
LOL@ thinking GWIII cares about getting a Degree.
Posted by sammyptiger
Member since Nov 2012
1037 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:06 pm to
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Cincinnati Bowtie
You have any insight into what happened yesterday? Hear anything?
Posted by Cincinnati Bowtie
Sparta
Member since May 2008
11951 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:12 pm to
Rondell Mealy has a nice job as a Safety Man at The Marathon Refinery. His name greatly helped him get the job. If he had gone out of State, he wouldn't have that job.
Posted by Cincinnati Bowtie
Sparta
Member since May 2008
11951 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:14 pm to
Nothing that isn't on here already. Karr guys both told Frank they were coming to LSU Wed night.
Posted by sammyptiger
Member since Nov 2012
1037 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:15 pm to
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Cincinnati Bowtie
Any reason as to why they did this? what has Franks reaction been?
Posted by Eman5805
West Bank
Member since Nov 2010
5098 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:23 pm to
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some of you guys are naive, if you don't think this happens you are living in make believe world


My guess is they aren't saying it doesn't, but that it shouldn't. Idealism and what not.

Well, I think I shouldn't lose a wallet or phone if I accidentally walk way from or drop it. But I'm pretty damn sure if I do, I won't find it where I left it.

Just the way the world is.
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