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Posted on 4/2/22 at 8:54 pm to
Posted by Sofly225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 4/2/22 at 8:54 pm to
And I don’t want to be bashed for voicing concern of our coach. Case in point Dana had 2 years of mediocrity. She got it together real quick got a contract extension and has Alabama winning titles and close to another championship. His skill set is suppose to be bars that actually have gotten worse since Sarah and Lexie graduated. We have always been a vault and floor school. He has helped with marketing and notariety of the school but I feel he is not a leader. He gives me my way or no way. Maybe I’m wrong but the belief needs to be instilled in the ladies and staff that u have everyone’s best interest to be healthy and great at the same time. The same schools are at the top and the rest are building. We got problems in Baton Rouge.
This post was edited on 4/2/22 at 9:11 pm
Posted by TigerFan112
Member since Feb 2017
906 posts
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:03 pm to
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Kiya would have to decline to go. Haleigh would be next in line.




Obviously, I’d love for them to both go, and I’m not suggesting that Kiya decline. She’s one of my 2 favorites on the team. But I really hate for Haleigh to miss out!
Posted by Sofly225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2022
124 posts
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:07 pm to
I know I’m spilling a lot but I have had a hard time the last two seasons since DD has retired.I’ve had time to reflect. I know these are young ladies and I never want anyone to be abused or mis treated, but maybe the social media , nil, is a distraction. It didn’t seem far fetch when I heard Jeff Graba make his gymnast turn off social media night before meets. We had issues with pressure situations and that’s mainly mental focus or lack of it. Coach Val had specific rules and requirements. Given the abuse that has come out in USA gymnastics and coaches on all levels, sometimes u have to have ground rules set to be on a team. Sports are suppose to be fun, but with scholarships and coaches making record breaking contracts and money, results should be goal oriented. It is a process.
This post was edited on 4/2/22 at 9:16 pm
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
879 posts
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:07 pm to
I assume there will be a press conference next week concerning how quickly the season ended.
Posted by Twz
Member since Dec 2018
467 posts
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:15 pm to
It sucks bryant missed out but no way should Kiya give up her well earned spot. She is a true competitor and a strong contender for post season All American honors at the very least. Which team do you all hope she rotates with?
Posted by Sofly225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2022
124 posts
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:17 pm to
She’s only doing vault. Since UCLA didn’t qualify Norah Flatley is going as the AA.
Posted by russiangym
Member since Jan 2020
156 posts
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:36 pm to
Bama has some really great recruits incoming as well. I was sure Dana was on her way out a couple years ago but she has really got it together.

IDK I was sometimes frustrated at DD's approach of lots of difficulty at the expense of scores sometimes but nearly every event has taken a step back since JC took over as head coach, maybe except vault (but we have historically recruited great vaulters anyway, so the talent is already there coming in). I don't know what's going on but I hope they figure it out. This team is too talented to be not making regionals.
Posted by TigerFan112
Member since Feb 2017
906 posts
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:59 pm to
Anybody know if Jay reads TD?
Posted by Sofly225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2022
124 posts
Posted on 4/2/22 at 10:06 pm to
Obviously not. The complaints from the whole season didn’t change with the exception of Haleigh to a two pass routine and taking Sami out of beam. Nothing on bars was changed regards too dismounts or lineup selection. If a spot is on the line for nationals and a fall in the lead off spot, why not take out the second lay in Aleah’s beam routine. Seems she had enough bonus to take it out. High pressure situation with a freshman. I thought he said he likes to ease the freshman in. As head coach he should’ve made the decision over Gnat to change her routine. Again she’s not a regular freshman coming from elite. You don’t put her in that situation. Didn’t the coaches at Kentucky do that to us and won the meet? Again coaching. You put your athletes in the best position possible.
This post was edited on 4/2/22 at 10:42 pm
Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
785 posts
Posted on 4/2/22 at 11:40 pm to
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Nothing on bars was changed regards too dismounts


I mentioned this on the Tiger Rant page Regional thread.

Please read this all the way through before you decide to downvote if you do because I had the same thought process as you did for the entire last few seasons, but upon learning this new piece of information, I can now admit that it makes complete sense.

As someone who also loves gymnastics, especially our girls, here is what I will say about this:
Not sure if you all know who Chris Bogantes is but he is an LSU alum, former gymnastics coach at Ball State, TWU, SEMO, and briefly at Arkansas. I mentioned the same thing to him yesterday prior to the meet with regards to lineup choices and he told me the following:
“New dismounts are possibly the hardest thing to teach an athlete Something that’s hard for a non gymnast to understand is how hard it is to go back and do a double tuck once you have been doing another dismount. The tap for a double lay is different than for a double tuck and a lot of times it’s mentally hard for an athlete to go back to a tuck. Tucking to early or too late or tapping too late can cause the gymnast to pull in and hit the bar so it’s just scary for some people. I for example could do a full twisting double lay but could no longer do a tap swing to a tuck flyaway.”. And later said “No question is ever too stupid when it comes to gymnastics technique or strategy. All of your ideas have been good ones that I’m sure they considered at some point.”

After having read that, my guess is Jay, as someone who’s been a coach in the sport for many years, had considered doing some variation of a giant into a double tuck for those girls whether it be a giant full, stalder into a double tuck or something else of the like, however mentally it is probably harder for them to do that dismount than to continue with the one they’ve been training. I hope that for next year, the solution would be to instead have Annie, Ashley, Lilly, Alexis, Aleah, Tori,(maybe KJ), Haleigh, Chase, Kai, and Kiya being the girls we have fighting for our six lineup spots and let Alyona, Elena and Livvy compete on other events where we may need them more, or not at all
Posted by Sofly225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2022
124 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:02 am to
I think Alyona stays unless the 6 others are more consistent and score higher. That makes sense, and i understand safety and skills are learned before they get here. But it’s also individual based. Many have changed dismounts and even added skills once they get to college. I remember Jay only liking E dismounts so I don’t totally agree with your idea it’s only about what u stated in your post. Haleigh learned a new dismount that’s actually harder to do, maybe not land but also it’s on the motivation of the athlete.
This post was edited on 4/3/22 at 12:07 am
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
879 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 8:14 am to
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Alyona will anchor bars next year. We do need several good bar workers to replace those with dismount issues and form. It's a wait and see though.

I do think someone is on this forum that is a big supporter of Jay and possibly has connections to share thoughts that come from posts on TD.
Posted by Sofly225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2022
124 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 9:39 am to
A big question mark is next season. We loose a lot and I don’t see from history the freshman making an immediate impact. Now the main bright spot could be having Kiya and Alyona come back for a 5th covid year , Bryant in her senior year with Konnors class. And having KJ and Aleah more settled in. That would be a stacked roster. Of coarse everyone needs to be healthy and hopefully the staff will be more prepared.
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
808 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:32 pm to
But do we lose a lot? I mean, Christina was a good beam lead off but honestly to me that’s the biggest loss and for 5 years she could not hit in post season. I have to believe there will be someone who can replace edwards on vault, Sami on bars (Aleah obviously), and Christina on floor (I honestly think Livvy should have stayed in the lineup over alyona, so there’s your personal right there)

I will mention replacing Bridget’s consistency on beam might be an issue, but her routine had so many built-in deductions that in her best day it was hard for her to ever go above 9.9, so I think we can do better there as well, especially as that is the event you would expect Annie to co tribute on immediately
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69774 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

But do we lose a lot? I mean, Christina was a good beam lead off but honestly to me that’s the biggest loss and for 5 years she could not hit in post season. I have to believe there will be someone who can replace edwards on vault, Sami on bars (Aleah obviously), and Christina on floor (I honestly think Livvy should have stayed in the lineup over alyona, so there’s your personal right there)

I will mention replacing Bridget’s consistency on beam might be an issue, but her routine had so many built-in deductions that in her best day it was hard for her to ever go above 9.9, so I think we can do better there as well, especially as that is the event you would expect Annie to co tribute on immediately





They have Lilly and Annie coming in next season. Jeffrey is on the roster. They are failing badly if they can't make the beam lineup work next year with these gymnasts in addition to what they return.

Vault? They have Bryce Wilson coming in who scored multiple 10's this past JO season. Its time to step up their game and get more 10.0 vaults. If there is an event to push for difficulty, vault is the one to do it.

Bars? They have Ashley Cowan coming in who has been one of the best JO bar workers this past year. You finally get a second offseason with Aleah.




Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
808 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:58 pm to
I agree. My main point was in response to the above poster who said we lose a lot - I just don’t think that a) we are losing a whole lot and b) that what we are losing are even close to the kind of routines that are irreplaceable.
Posted by TigerFan112
Member since Feb 2017
906 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

I honestly think Livvy should have stayed in the lineup over alyona, so there’s your personal right there)



I agree. I’ve never been a fan of Alyona in the floor lineup. She’s just not graceful or precise. She has a more lumbering style. I like her more on bars and beam, but her technique overall isn’t my cup of tea. I do love the energy she brings to the team, so I like seeing her in some lineups.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69774 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:28 pm to
I like Dunne more because her routine doesn't feel rushed and its more precise. She honestly would be a nice lead off routine for next season. Someone clean and can set up the rest of the lineup.

Alyona surprisingly had a really good beam set, just a small check on the front Ariel.
Posted by shaquilleoatmeal
Member since Jun 2021
961 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:31 pm to
I would actually prefer Haleigh or Kiya anchor. Either way, Kiya has to move down the lineup. I think she gets underscored too often being in the lead off.
Posted by Bayougallc
Member since Mar 2018
879 posts
Posted on 4/3/22 at 2:08 pm to
QUOTE:

Vault? They have Bryce Wilson coming in who scored multiple 10's this past JO season. Its time to step up their game and get more 10.0 vaults. If there is an event to push for difficulty, vault is the one to do it.



Does Bryce have a Y Double Full?
This post was edited on 4/3/22 at 2:11 pm
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