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Posted on 11/30/15 at 11:22 am to
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 11:22 am to
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Seems like Miles likes a dual threat qb but runs a system for a pocket passer


We've run a good bit of zone read and designed QB runs this year. Also why because a guy can take off and run it well means he can't drop back in the pocket and throw it. As much as the most posters don't want to admit it we were pretty multiple this year but much more successful when lining up in 2 TEs and a FB. We showed flashes of being successful spreading it out and running the ball. I'd assume we'll be better at that next year with a more developed Harris.
Posted by Coach C
Member since Jan 2008
475 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 11:25 am to
Let's also dispel the myth that we run zone read. We run the look, but he's not reading anything. It's being called a give or a keep. Boggles the mind why he's not allowed to run a simple read that 90% of high schools run
Posted by LSUlunatic
Member since Dec 2006
6833 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 11:35 am to
Ever since Jimbo left, we have been unable to scout QB talent and develop the QB's we sign. Rivers, Rettig, Liggins, Randall, Zach Lee, Chris Garrett, Jefferson, J. Lee, Jennings. And here in 2015, we again find ourselves with very poor QB play and no decent QB recruit on the horizon. Without a balanced offense, we'll never be able to compete for championships, and we'll never have a balanced offense with such poor QB play.

The cycle of poor QB play is going to continue over the next few years thanks to the staff's inability to land a quality QB in the 2016 class.

ETA- It looks like we'll be treading water in the middle of the SEC West for several years to come.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 11:38 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297732 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 11:37 am to
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Anybody that thinks Harris won't be much improved next year doesn't understand football. A year of experience is huge for any player at any position especially QB.


What worries me is he seems to have lost confidence. He's also been at LSU for two seasons and hasn't developed touch on the ball. He needs to put a little air under the ball and let his WR's go get it.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19463 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 11:43 am to
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What worries me is he seems to have lost confidence. He's also been at LSU for two seasons and hasn't developed touch on the ball. He needs to put a little air under the ball and let his WR's go get it.
I'm guessing it's an old story- so focused on not making mistakes the deflating results of making one combined with not playing the position naturally (to focus on not making mistakes) are once again a killer.

And WR's could help him more. They are getting better, but it's taking them a while to learn to attack the ball AND use their body more to create separation when their feet can't.

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Anybody that thinks Harris won't be much improved next year doesn't understand football. A year of experience is huge for any player at any position especially QB.
If only he had played more at the end of 2014 season once we knew that goals weren't going to be achieved. He will get better. Hell, that QB whisperer dude out west was very high on him and his skills. Those didn't disappear. So let him use them, help him with scheme and he'll be better.
Posted by PeaRidgeWatash
Down by the docks of the city
Member since Dec 2004
15210 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 11:45 am to
It's about developing the QBs. HarrIs and even JJ could've done more with the right coaching. Don't blame Franks one bit.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7187 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:03 pm to
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Sorry, but you don't even believe AJ and JJ got better.
He was speaking about year over year. We have not seen AJ year over year.

Jefferson got better year over year.


Quarterback Development: History of Progress
All four QBs had remarkably similar numbers for their first year with 25+ passes in the SEC. The clear trend is for LSU QBs to improve year over year.

Although there have been outlier college QBs who have performed at an elite level during their second year, that is not the norm. However, it is the norm for LSU QBs, like other college QBs, to get better as they get more years of experience. Harris may have been shaken after the Florida game, but there is little reason to expect that he cannot develop year over year like his predecessors. It is rational to expect Harris to be a better passing QB in 2016.


Harris Will Be Bigger and Stronger, and Miles Will Have More Faith in His Backups
In 2015, if Harris had gotten injured, it would have been rational to expect QB play to decline precipitously. Thus, it was a rational decision to not put Harris in a position to take a lot of hits. It made little sense to call many option plays that put Harris in the line of fire.

In 2016, there will be better and more depth behind Harris. In addition, Harris will be bigger and stronger. Therefore, it is rational to expect Harris to be used more in the running game. A ball-carrying QB reduces the eyes and pressure on Fournette. It is rational to expect Harris to be a better running QB in 2016.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:07 pm to
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Let's also dispel the myth that we run zone read. We run the look, but he's not reading anything. It's being called a give or a keep. Boggles the mind why he's not allowed to run a simple read that 90% of high schools run


I think they let him read it on certain plays. But I do agree it is called on most plays.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:09 pm to
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my thing is....if we are going to run the offense that we have been running lets recruit more QBs like Matt Flynn. Someone who isnt a dual threat but can make the short to intermediate passes with consistency and also makes more than one read.

Our problem has been the type of QB recruit that we have been going after


bullshite!!! Our problem is lack of development of QBs. Those who prefer "pocket passers" over "dual threats" use the excuse that we have had dual threat QBs, but the one constant is lack of development. Check out the last 7 Heisman Trophy winning QBs. Dual threats!!!! Developed dual threats. Check their passing numbers. They had gaudy passing numbers although they were dual threats.

Would you turn down Jameis Winston, Johnny Football, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota,Robert Griffin III or Troy Smith as LSU's starting QB? Some probably would. LSU's problem is not the type of QB, but the lack of development of the QB. Quit trying to push your agenda against "dual treat" QBs for LSU on the back of Miles' failure to develop his QBs.

Brando Harris, in a program that knows how to develop QBs, has all the tools required to excel at the position. Miles' fear of the interception and playing not to lose rather than to win, takes all confidence out of his QBs. As a result his QBs play scared. Confidence is everything for a successful QB. The first 7 games of the year were a great opportunity to fully develop the passing game and instill confidence in his QB. Miles fear precluded that from happening. So when passing was truly needed, the QB was ill prepared to perform. Franks knows BH is very talented and he saw the lack of development. That is why he is a Florida commit today. He really wanted to attend LSU, but had to do what is best for him and his future development. Sorry to say, based on history, that was not at LSU. The question is, what, if anything, Miles will do about it. We need a young aggressive OC who knows how to develop QBs.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:34 pm to
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bullshite!!! Our problem is lack of development of QBs.


Except pretty much every QB that has come through LSU during Miles tenure has improved every year.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19463 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:35 pm to
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justustm2
If I could only upvote that a gazillion times!
Posted by Play_Neck
Member since Dec 2014
2191 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:46 pm to
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I20goon


Your banner pic...
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4766 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:56 pm to
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His situation may be akin to Shaquille O'Neal and free throws. Shaq worked with countless coaches over the years to improve his free throw shooting. Are those coaches to blame for failing to develop Shaq's free throw shooting, or does Shaq get the blame for failing to develop as a free throw shooter?


Shaq was 12/12 from the FT line in his last game as a Tiger.

He got worse in the NBA, not that he was great in College but
Posted by timm6971463
oakdale la
Member since Mar 2008
4387 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 2:09 pm to
Jumbo is not coming here so Les will be here,if the idiots couldn't get rid of him this year its because they cant !
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7187 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 2:22 pm to
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Brando Harris, in a program that knows how to develop QBs, has all the tools required to excel at the position. Miles' fear of the interception and playing not to lose rather than to win, takes all confidence out of his QBs. As a result his QBs play scared. Confidence is everything for a successful QB. The first 7 games of the year were a great opportunity to fully develop the passing game and instill confidence in his QB. Miles fear precluded that from happening.
bullshite.

Harris developed and progressed dramatically during the first seven games.


quote:

Franks knows BH is very talented and he saw the lack of development. That is why he is a Florida commit today. He really wanted to attend LSU, but had to do what is best for him and his future development. Sorry to say, based on history, that was not at LSU.
bullshite.

LSU QBs have developed and progressed.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7187 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 2:24 pm to
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quote:

bullshite!!! Our problem is lack of development of QBs.
Except pretty much every QB that has come through LSU during Miles tenure has improved every year.
Year over year, LSU QBs improve.
Posted by Andre
Cashier at Stein's Deli
Member since Apr 2009
4301 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:55 pm to
for what its worth I have gator friends who were talking about Franks in May.

This has been no surprise for anyone save LSU fans.
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3654 posts
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:15 pm to
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Brando Harris, in a program that knows how to develop QBs, has all the tools required to excel at the position. Miles' fear of the interception and playing not to lose rather than to win, takes all confidence out of his QBs. As a result his QBs play scared. Confidence is everything for a successful QB.


Damn! Well said!
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