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re: Probably discussed, but re Tim Williams

Posted on 7/19/12 at 6:49 am to
Posted by GFunk
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 6:49 am to
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ApexTiger


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We are going kick Alabama's arse for the 3 straight season and make it 10 of last 13 meetings.


That's a great stat...until you realize the Baghdad Bob-esque context of your statement.

They shut us out in one of the all-time worst performances in a National Championship Game History in our own backyard.

They won when it counted and are currently doing to us what we did to Auburn and Alabama in Mobile when Nick was here. Only now he's cherry picking the hell out of Louisiana. If Luther Davis and Robbie Green are small potatoes, Kenny Bell is a guy we'd enjoy having as a wideout, and Landon Collins sure as shite would be in our two-deep at Safety. To say nothing of Denzel Devall & Sylve.

Look I'm not In need of a dog, but you are grossly lacking in perspective here. We're doing great but he's got our number. He's in on a great player ON OUR CAMPUS.

Now granted we got rid of a lazy arse recruiter that wouldn't do his job outside of talent Evals at camp or coaching on campus and we are on top of recruiting instead of taking guys word for it when they said they went somewhere. But we gave other teams-including the one we could least afford to-inroads into the state.

They took full advantage and have set up shop in New Orleans and SoLA because of it. Stop that sunshine pumping long enough to be objective.

They got their foot in the door. Yes we have the horses to shut them back down, but we screwed up in recruiting the past few years before addressing it with Henry and Raymond. On the field we need to make a damned statement in Tiger Stadium to reassert ourselves.

Otherwise that 10 of 13 stat means jack shite with Bama taking the recruits they want in-state and beating our asses on our home turf.
This post was edited on 7/19/12 at 6:56 am
Posted by redfieldk717
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 8:18 am to
Posted by Indiana Tiger
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 8:29 am to
In the annals of sunshine pumping, what Apex wrote might be classified as a misdemeanor. But this over the top crap that you spewed is a negativity capital crime. GTFO with this shite.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 8:29 am to
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Kenny Bell is a guy we'd enjoy having as a wideout

I wouldn't want that functional retard anywhere near our team.
Posted by redfieldk717
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 8:33 am to
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I wouldn't want that functional retard anywhere near our team.


OBJ shits on kenny bell, hell id even take james wright over him
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 9:20 am to
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redfieldk717
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OBJ shits on kenny bell, hell id even take james wright over him


Who said I'd take him over OBJ or James Wright? I said we'd enjoy having him because we need talented depth at wide receiver. We especially need some height out there as we are running some ridiculously talented but somewhat smurf like types out there aside from Wright-whose the tallest at 6-2.

I'm not being negative, I'm stating the truth.

Saying 10 out of 13 while ignoring the bed-shitting job we did on 1/9 is ignorant and it makes us look bad as a fanbase. Take your lumps and don't try to do some spin-job like you work for a partisan-driven cable news network.

They beat our arse in decisive fashion with extreme prejudice in a place we've owned over the last decade in post-season tilts for ALL of the marbles. Saying 10 of 13 and acting like nothing's wrong is a joke.

Saying its all doom and gloom would be negative. Saying we'll never win again would be negative. But saying we had a guy everyone was sad to see go who was hurting us on the recruiting trails isn't a negative.

Saying we got outworked for a guy out of Dutchtown is not a negative per se. Sure its a negative to realize its the truth, but to act like we didn't see that and react to it with our hires is stupid.

Hiring Henry and Raymond-especially Cory over Kevin Steele-was a direct admission that we were going to reassert ourselves on the recruiting trail after getting fed up with Nick's ability to project his shadow over here in SoLA.

To act like its not is to bury one's head firmly in the sand. To run that Kevin Bacon line out of Animal House of, "Remain calm...all is well!" with that 10 of 13 is just dumb.

We need to have a fire under our asses because they beat our behind in NOLa on 1/9, and they stole several quality recruits from us the past few years.

I'm not sh!tting on our players by saying that. I'm saying the sh!t doesn't need to happen at all.

If that's negativity and if that needs to GTFO, then I'll just say I'm seriously glad Miles recognized what I do and made personnel decisions and retooled his recruiting to make EVERYONE more accountable.

Don't think so? Look at all the guys Chavis is on. Look at all the guys Studrawa is recruiting now. Those guys were lax recruiters-not bad just lax-prior to this. Now EVERYONE is on notice that they better beat the streets and do their job on the trail. Which was not always the case.

Just glad the staff sees it my way and doesn't get high off this Pollyana Opium of the Tiger Masses.

We got fat and happy for a bit and it cost us. 1/9 did too. We let some guys slip & recruiting slipped up ever so slightly, especially at home here in La. We corrected it but on guys like Beckwith & Williams, we're still seeing ugly reminders of what lackadaisical ethic on the recruiting trail will do.

Won't be that way anymore with guys Henry & Raymond and Wilson on staff. They light a fire under the ENTIRE staff.
This post was edited on 7/19/12 at 9:23 am
Posted by redfieldk717
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 9:27 am to
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I'm not being negative, I'm stating the truth.


stopped reading here, id rather believe my delusion
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 9:28 am to
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they stole several quality recruits from us the past few years.

Landon Collins =/= several.

Stop with the damn catastrophe syndrome. Just because you're afraid that big bad Bama is going to come in your bedroom at night go all Deliverence on you doesn't mean that everyone else feels the same way. Things aren't as bad as you're trying to make them sound.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14967 posts
Posted on 7/19/12 at 9:35 am to
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ProjectP2294
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Landon Collins =/= several.

Stop with the damn catastrophe syndrome. Just because you're afraid that big bad Bama is going to come in your bedroom at night go all Deliverence on you doesn't mean that everyone else feels the same way. Things aren't as bad as you're trying to make them sound.


When I say we're doing great, and that I wouldn't choose those kids over the ones we have and that we have corrected things and that we have reasserted ourselves, what about those admissions is in disagreement with what you think?

I'm simply stating that acting like nothing was wrong was dumb. 10 out of 13 is dumb. That kind of ignorance of how we slipped is exactly the problem. Staff got fat and happy. They saw it, recognized it, dealt with it, and took steps to reverse that trend.

I'm not catastrophe syndroming I assure you. I'm simply hungry to beat the sh!t out of Bama whether on the field or on the recruiting trail.

In the words of Ahnuld in Conan the Barbarian I want to, "Crush [y]our enemies, see them driven before you [and out of Louisiana], and to hear the lamentation of their women."
Posted by Cadello
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 9:44 am to
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This post was a lot better when it was blank

Oh Snap
Posted by Tiger at Law
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:04 am to
The Rant. Go there.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:04 am to
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Saying we got outworked for a guy out of Dutchtown is not a negative per se


Yes it is. A big time recruit from Dutchtown (or as he would tell you from New Orleans) opted to sign with Alabama instead of LSU. Of course he's a guy we all wanted and could use, but losing one recruit is not the end of the world and the staff was able to get another good S prospect in Corey Thompson. Maybe the kid just liked it better over there or maybe he just wanted to go where his GF is going. Just because he didn't sign with LSU doesn't mean we got "out worked". It just means we didn't get him. So we move on.

The top player in Al signed with FSU, do you think Bama fans are as upset over that as you are about losing K Bell? Hell, they just had a kid that was committed to them for over a year, top 10 national player flip to Auburn and an OL recruit that is looking at flipping to LSU.
Posted by Cadello
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:05 am to
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Otherwise that 10 of 13 stat means jack shite with Bama taking the recruits they want in-state and beating our asses on our home turf.

You are amazingly stupid...
Posted by LsuTool
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:09 am to
I dont even know where to start. I wont even bother.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59178 posts
Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:14 am to
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I'm simply stating that acting like nothing was wrong was dumb


You realize of course that fans have not control over anything right? However, we went 13-1, won the SEC and finished #2. While the last game was horrible and we all wish we finished #1, there is nothing wrong, from a fan perspective. There is always room for improvement and you are correct that the staff can't just rest on their laurels and expect to keep winning (see Texas, University of). For the most part, where there have been deficiencies, they have or are being corrected (hiring a better QB coach, better/younger recuiters in Raymond and Henry). So there is reason for optimism.

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10 out of 13 is dumb


no, its a fact. Yes, they won the "big one" but that doesn't erase all the others. The 2010 game knocked them out of any chance at a repeat title. The 11/5 loss meant they needed help to get in the BCS CG. That they got that help doesn't change the fact that game meant something at the time.

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That kind of ignorance of how we slipped is exactly the problem


Again, fans have no say in anything, so how fans pointing out we beat Bama 10 of 13 or whatever could cause a slip in the program is mystifing. Next, seeing as the team went from 8 wins to 9 to 11 to 13 I'm also having a hard time seeing where this slip occured, other than losing 1 big time in state recruit. But, not you're not negative
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:16 am to
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Bama taking the recruits they want in-state


wow, i missed that

Yeah, they get one elite prospect and suddendly they are taking who they want, but no, he's not negative
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14967 posts
Posted on 7/19/12 at 1:21 pm to
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H-Town Tiger
quote:



wow, i missed that

Yeah, they get one elite prospect and suddendly they are taking who they want, but no, he's not negative


Being realistic is not always pollayanaesque. Sorry I'm not over here bleating like a billygoat and jizzing in my pants that they signed guys we wanted.

Make no mistake we took a commitment from Kenny Bell. We tried our damndest for LC. We would've gone after Devall had he not made his intentions clear from the get-go.

Kendell Beckwith & Tim Williams are also guys that Bama wants badly. So is Fournette. They insulated him to the point where we can't neutralize their influence at St. Aug now. Thankfully there's no one out there on the horizon after Fournette that's a sure-fire type, though I've heard his younger brother may be a good player as well.

These are signs we let Saban into the kitchen. We slipped up in doing so. I don't want Louisiana kids making an impact on their roster. None of us do. Admitting it is not a crime nor is it being negative.

But saying 10 of 13 means nothing compared to winning THE ONE THAT COUNTED THE MOST in New Orleans on 1/9.

I enjoyed all of those ten victories but the one that got away is the one that would've meant the most and what hurts the most as well. No denying that. Acting as if it doesn't matter is dumb. Which is why saying 10 of 13 is dumb.

We're 3-3 versus Bama since Saban's arrival. 3-2 in the regular season, and one of the worst losses in our program's history last year to cap off and end the best season in our program's history.

My posting history re: LSU topics is generally quite positive. I get a kick out of people telling me I'm negative. Bottom line is that there is room for improvement but we can't let up. We did and it stung a bit.

As previously mentioned fans have no impact on the outcome on the field. Then again when our fans act like winning 10 out of 13 is something Bama Fans care about compared to the fact that they've been extremely competitive and currently hold an upper hand against us since Saban's arrival compared to beforehand, again it just sounds dumb.

They are without question our biggest rivals to the title of best program in America & I feel as if we are on equal footing with us. The missteps I mentioned in regards to recruiting are very real but have been remedied.

I'll go ahead and retire from this thread at this point. Better to quit while I'm behind.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14967 posts
Posted on 7/19/12 at 1:25 pm to
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H-Town Tiger
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wow, i missed that

Yeah, they get one elite prospect and suddendly they are taking who they want, but no, he's not negative


They had convinced Brazil to decommit even if only for one day early in the process.

They were also bigtime after Diarse until we hired Henry & he put in work and won that battle in a HUGE win for us.

Ricky Jefferson was also a guy we made up a ton of ground on. Brazil being solidified and his friendship with Ricky helped there as well.

But early on when our staff was in flux we were getting chewed up here in-state. The changes we made helped us out bigtime. To act like they were never and aren't now a thread is idiotic.
Posted by redfieldk717
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Posted on 7/19/12 at 1:26 pm to
your verbosity is out of control brah...
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14967 posts
Posted on 7/19/12 at 1:29 pm to
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your verbosity is out of control brah...


I can try talking down to everyone else's level.

My b Brah!

Seriously, I don't like losing. That one loss felt like a thousand in January. Can't stand those pricks from Tuscaloosa and don't like the inroads they made.

Glad we righted the ship.
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