re: Nathan Pickering - Visit to LSU 'boosts' Tigers up in Pickering's mind

If we signed surtain and Goodrich we likely move up a few spots in the rankings.

Maybe into the top 10

It still kinda pisses me off that surtain did what he did to LSU and our staff by stringing them along right up until signing day. It really fricked us at the cb position by him handling it the way he did, and it was intentional and deliberate. Saban knew our situation at cb and wanted surtain to screw us by lying to us and having us extremely confident in signing him. I know he's a kid and all that, but his father and saban were in on it as well, and that is what makes me mad about how it all went down. Oh well, we have to have a big dB haul this class, and Louisiana is loaded at the position, so we will make up for it soon.

Let's see multiple people say you go to far when you get in discussion. Few people say you take shite to far yet you say no, so guess you are right. No negative talk here , as you stated facts. Still my LSU brotheran , Geaux Tigers!

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Again, it's the 15th ranked class in the country. That's the "alternate universe" in which I live. The one that uses facts and objectivity to make informed decisions/conclusions about the direction things are trending.

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ok fine. but the point is that the RANKINGS are not necessarily accurate. you just can't call people's opinions of 18 year olds future performance FACT. there is just way too many changes in these kids over the next 4 years.

in a year where the state of Louisiana is way down from normal to call this years class trending in a bad direction is harsh and unjust. not signing a CB was, imo, the only real "failure" of the class and you have to admit, at least we went for the best.

We addressed urgent team needs in this class. I don't care whether it's the 15th or a top 5 class. You have to address YOUR teams needs. YOU have to trust your coaching staffs evaluation's of prospects over some websites. Certain highly ranked propets don't fit into our system, period. I trust coach o, Dave aranda, corey raymond, and the rest of our staff that actually coach college ball and have a system they're trying to recruit to, over some dumbfrick giving a player stars when he hasn't played a down of college ball yet in any system.

Sure, we could have used anot her cb in this year's class, but all in all, I like who we got and how they fit into our philosophy. We signed the number 1 wr class in the nation, and had a good haul at the line of scrimmage. We addressed immediate needs. Some of you take class rankings too damn serious. It was a down year in louisiana this year, next year will be different. Geaux tigers.

Sure saban negatively recruits LSU and does shady shite to make us suffer on signing day. He knows LSU and louisiana all too well. He knows he must do something, anything he can, to try and slow us down, especially in state, because the stats don't lie about where pro football talent comes from and it scares him if LSU was to lock this state down then cherry pick top talent out of other states. Saban has coached and recruited at LSU and knows the advantages we have. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he's a slimy motherfricker when it comes to recruiting for bama/against LSU. He's a scumbag, and surtain Jr is just the latest chapter in his bs concerning LSU and recruiting against us. It will come to an end soon, then its our time, no worries here.

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That makes it all the more hard to stomach when we lose Marvin Wilson and Pat Surtain after reading all the propaganda for three years saying they were all LSU.

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That propaganda is not coming out of LSU... It is coming from the click-baiters that are telling you what you want to hear or read. I had a suspicion that something was up when LSU started going hard after Goodrich in Dec. We had not even heard of him on this board before that and there was allegedly no room and no need with Surtain on the come.

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Goodrich , I am disappointed also but Surtain played us. Starting to think Saba does this shite to us on purpose.

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Forget Surtain, Hootie and Tony Brown. The best one Saban got LSU with was Matt Womack.

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But the Southeastern Conference did not see it that way, as it banned Miles' program from signing early enrollees to Financial Aid Agreements for the next two years and took away 10 percent of its recruiting evaluation days in 2015.

Womack, a one-time LSU commit, signed a financial aid agreement with the Tigers, which allowed them to have unlimited contact with him. But the offensive lineman ultimately signed with Alabama, which makes LSU's contact with Womack a recruiting violation.

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One time commit signs financial aid papers with LSU allowing unlimited access, then signs with Bama so the contact is an NCAA violation

I'm pretty sure this all happened during a dead period. BUT, I'm sure Nick and Bama did nothing wrong.

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I was optimistic that we'd land at least one of the 2 if not both That really put a damper on the end of things With those 2 it would have been a fantastic class all together

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Agreed. I at one point was absolutely positive that LSU would at least sign Goodrich. I had read how he really wanted an offer and that Corey Raymond loved him and wanted him in a bad way. I just didn't foresee the "great" recruiter Orgeron telling his staff, "No, no. We only need ONE cornerback, and Surtain is a lock."

Had they at least gotten Goodrich, I would consider this class to be very, very good. Now it's only a good class that could have been great, just like Orgeron's class last year, which ended in disappointment.

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You can tell by the fact that they think having the #15 class in the nation is a horrible thing.

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When the O supporters have constantly told us about what a "great" recruiter that Orgeron is, having a class that comes in at #15 is a huge disappointment. And top it off with the fact that through gross incompetence, he doesn't offer Goodrich until it's way too late, thus ending up with NO cornerbacks, which was a big need this year.