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re: My take on the QB situation
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:16 pm to tigerskin
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:16 pm to tigerskin
If we signed Haskins maybe we don't get Narcaisse. It will all work out. We aren't going to be good every year anyway. There will be some misses. Maybe we have a fantastic two year run then a development year. Maybe Narcaisse is the next Taj Boyd, who knows. Never thought we would get Mett for those two years either. So much good happening, don't waste time being negative.
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Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:21 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:Harris's stats were not that different from McCarron when he was a SO.
Funny how Saban simply doesnt struggle to field a good QB at Alabama.
Lower completion percentage but YPA were almost as good.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:23 pm to tigerskin
Saban must be your daddy
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:23 pm to Dudebro2
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Although Harris improved slightly unless he improves dramatically going forward we will not win the West with him at QB
I disagree with you on this point. I think he improved more than "slightly". people learn at different rates and the qb position is by far the toughest to learn. Harris looked better than Prescott at the same juncture of their careers.
i'm not happy we didn't sign a qb (although we still may) but the fact is next year gives us plenty of time to sign one and coach him up. and yes, we should sign more than one.
the situation is what it is and lamenting the fact that we whiffed doesn't do any good.
my biggest question is why we didn't pursue Scott. he's short but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have panned out.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:24 pm to thunderbird1100
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What are we going to do in 2018 after Harris leaves? We will have McMillian and either a RS freshman or true sophomore and we're right back to struggling at QB again
Several teams have performed well over the last several years with 1st or 2nd year QBs. In some instances, those guys have thrived. The difference between those teams and LSU is that the other teams weren't terrified to let their young QBs make plays and also the inevitable mistakes that come with inexperience. It is abundantly clear that LSU is deathly afraid of letting their QB become any sort of playmaker until MAYBE he has 2-3 years starting experience. The role of an LSU QB since 2008 has been "pass when we have to and just don't screw anything up." No QB can thrive when he's essentially out there playing "not to lose."
Opponents know this and big time recruits are starting to figure it out. LSU has kind of become a "graveyard" for highly recruited QBs. Lee, Jefferson, Jennings, Harris were all pretty highly recruited players. LSU wasn't the only school that wanted them. It can't be that LSU was just COMPLETELY wrong in their evaluation of each guy.
I wish things were different. I wish LSU would adapt their offensive approach to the strengths of their QB rather than try to stick a square peg in a round hole or make the guy a "game manager" right from the jump. However, when the national narrative is that your team consistently has bad QB play, it's hard to fault highly ranked QBs who may want to steer clear of LSU
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:25 pm to tigerfoot
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Harris's stats were not that different from McCarron when he was a SO.
Lower completion percentage but YPA were almost as good.
McCarron as a sophomore had a passer rating of 147.3, Harris was 130.6. Harris' completion percentage was also OVER 10% lower. That's a big difference.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:26 pm to LSU GrandDad
I respect and appreciate your opinion but completely disagree. It's a huge deal.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:28 pm to sjmabry
Like it or not, he is the daddy to all of us right now. Might as well follow a proven strategy instead of our shite show approach at QB.
This post was edited on 1/18/16 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:28 pm to thunderbird1100
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so you're okay with not taking a top notch QB 2 years in a row?
perceived top notch vs. eventual top notch are 2 different thing. Seems to be the toughest position to project.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:29 pm to Alt26
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Several teams have performed well over the last several years with 1st or 2nd year QBs. In some instances, those guys have thrived. The difference between those teams and LSU is that the other teams weren't terrified to let their young QBs make plays and also the inevitable mistakes that come with inexperience. It is abundantly clear that LSU is deathly afraid of letting their QB become any sort of playmaker until MAYBE he has 2-3 years starting experience. The role of an LSU QB since 2008 has been "pass when we have to and just don't screw anything up." No QB can thrive when he's essentially out there playing "not to lose."
I pretty much agree with this. that is, not knowing the kids themselves as, giving cam the benefit of the doubt, maybe harris' confidence was deemed to be kind of fragile.
my biggest knocks on cam based on observation only is that (handling the kid with kid gloves) and not giving the backup any meaningful snaps in the cupcake games.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:29 pm to Stevo
That's why u keep taking them
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:33 pm to tigerskin
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That's why u keep taking them
we may still recruit someone. We have JUCO options. Who knows, a graduated senior with remaining eligibility may become available. Harris will hopefully progress. If so, we'll have him for 2 more years. Plenty of time to develop another QB.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:34 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:not really, YPA is the better measure.
That's a big difference.
We don't give Harris the same throws AJ had, and vice versa. being the QB in this offense is not an easy job.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:35 pm to LSU GrandDad
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I think he improved more than "slightly". people learn at different rates and the qb position is by far the toughest to learn.
All I know is what I saw. Harris looked good against crappy defenses and he struggled against good defenses "except for UF." You don't have to look any further than the last 5 games. Harris looked shitty against Bama, Ole Piss and Ark and looked great against TAMU and TT. Bama, Ole Piss and Ark good defenses and TAMU & TT crappy defenses.
The best way to look at it is when Buga is neutralized against good defenses do you really have confidence that Harris can put the team on his back and win the game for LSU. I for one don't think he can, for that to happen there is a hell of a lot more improvement needed from Harris.
It is really simple Bama, Ole Piss, UF and Ark next year are going to stack the box once again and say to Miles "if Harris can beat us then congrats, but no way in hell we are letting Buga beat us because we already know he can!!!"
This post was edited on 1/18/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:38 pm to Stevo
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Plenty of time to develop another QB.
That might be the bone head quote of the day! I guess you came up with that because we have done such a fantastic job of developing QB's in the past!!!!
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:40 pm to tigerskin
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That's why u keep taking them
Exactly. I think whiffing twice on the QB position in this class, given what is currently on the team, is bad. Beyond that, who wouldn't want a QB with talent every year if only for strength/conditioning gains, maturation, and working on learning the offense and speed of the game. It's just stupid not to given what has transpired post-JaMarcus.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:42 pm to Dudebro2
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That might be the bone head quote of the day! I guess you came up with that because we have done such a fantastic job of developing QB's in the past!!!!
stop being such a drama queen. good lord.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:44 pm to Stevo
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stop being such a drama queen. good lord.
I get it sometimes the truth might hurt Stevo, but it doesn't make it any less the truth!
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:44 pm to Stevo
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we may still recruit someone. We have JUCO options. Who knows, a graduated senior with remaining eligibility may become available. Harris will hopefully progress. If so, we'll have him for 2 more years. Plenty of time to develop another QB.
There are a lot of 'maybes, mights, hopes, and coulds with that logic.
This post was edited on 1/18/16 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 1/18/16 at 4:48 pm to Duckie
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There are a lot of 'maybes, mights, hopes, and coulds with that logic.
correct, so no need to panic.
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