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Posted on 10/27/22 at 7:11 am to
Posted by TigerAlum4Life
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 7:11 am to
WFT is the REAL MVP with the play by play on the scrimmages!!!!
Posted by Tigerbait357
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 8:57 am to
I’ll update rankings but a few of them have changed recently


SoftballAmerica does as well! Extra innings needs to stop having so many players the same rank, but I’m pretty sure most know why they do so…

With all that said they hit it out of the park with the 24 class. Landing Jayden was big but they also have a really strong group. It was a coup to keep SaMya Jones from going to Texas, I think she will be a fan favorite
Posted by 18handicap
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 11:19 am to
My comment was to be directed at someone committing to a school in the sunshine state... I deleted it because it doesn't matter & I should take the high road on that issue...
This post was edited on 10/27/22 at 11:21 am
Posted by TigerAlum4Life
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 11:40 am to
Totally agree 357. Jones and Heavener were absolute big time grabs. I think the Destiny Harris kid is going to turn some heads too. Honestly think she is as good as (better in some respects) Thomas and I've seen them both play---seen Harris more though. Lots of upside potential in Jada Philips and Alix Franklin too. Assuming the latter two didn't require big financial packages, although Franklin is a LA resident and there are huge scholarship benefits for them. The first two I know we opened the purse for--and we should have.

Excited about the 23 and 24 class. If pitching is solid we are looking good. Not sure how much I put into the talk about Dobbie and Leftwich on development. I love Beth as a coach, but there were rumors about the staff being on the hot seat. With recruiting classes like these it should help.
This post was edited on 10/27/22 at 11:42 am
Posted by GeauxRed3581
Member since Jan 2019
299 posts
Posted on 10/27/22 at 2:16 pm to
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Not sure how much I put into the talk about Dobbie and Leftwich on development. I love Beth as a coach, but there were rumors about the staff being on the hot seat. With recruiting classes like these it should help.


The frustration about the staff has never been about recruiting. Beth has had monster recruiting classes the majority of years she has been here. The issue has been with performance of those kids once they get here and how they progress (or don't) year to year.
Whether it is the infield defense struggles from the '16-'17 years that really hurt us in OKC or the consistent decline in offensive numbers over the last 5 years, the recruits that come in just aren't progressing once they get here. In recent years we have had kids come in and have All SEC and All American freshman years and then fall off the longer they are in the program.

LSU recruits itself. Some of the best facilities in the country, good fanbase that travels, amazing campus life, and an athletic department that is committed to winning. The ceiling for this program is endless, with the right staff in place. Beth has proven she is a great coach, but in my opinion her loyalty to Howard and Lindsey are what is keeping her and this program from taking that next step and playing on Monday/Tuesday in OKC. I hope Woodward is as ruthless with this program as he is with all the other ones, because LSU should be a perennial powerhouse and deserves to have a coaching staff that can get them there.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 3:39 pm to
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the consistent decline in offensive numbers over the last 5 years,


This is the exact opposite of what actually occurred. The decline was in pitching and defense, not offense. Wickersham and Sunseri regressed. Had they not, the trajectory of the program would be remarkably different. How much of that regression is on the coaches vs the individual players is the question.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 3:44 pm to
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WALKER tied at #7 with Sierra Daniel DANIEL tied #7 as indicated MANNING tied at #8


How can Walker and Daniel be tied for #7 and Manning be #8? That means there are at least 8 players ranked ahead of Manning, making her no higher than #9. Likewise with Bedell behind her.
This post was edited on 10/27/22 at 3:45 pm
Posted by 18handicap
Member since Jul 2014
5355 posts
Posted on 10/27/22 at 4:17 pm to
LSU was 3rd in hitting and 4th in pitching in the SEC conference games last season (2022). Blaming the season on Dobson & Torina seems extreme to me...

There has to be other reasons...

LINK to SEC Batting STATS 2022
Posted by WFT
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 6:49 pm to
I believe you know why and I will leave it at that on this board. The 2022 season is over and I see better things happening in that area of concern when I went to Houston two weeks ago to watch us play. I will be out there this weekend and hope to see some improvement in all facets of the team.

Hoping we grab one more recruit who visited a few weeks back and has not committed,
Posted by GeauxRed3581
Member since Jan 2019
299 posts
Posted on 10/27/22 at 8:46 pm to
I'm not talking about a single season and I only mentioned the offense because otherwise the post would have been three pages long. I have many issues with other aspects of the program but airing that out here doesnt do anybody any good.

The point I am mainly trying to make is that bringing in highly rated recruits hasn't been an issue for this staff. It's the progression (offensively, defensively, pitching) of the individual players year over year while they are in the program that has been a point of frustration for years on this board specifically. So when the other poster said that the recruits that have committed lately should help with any possible hot seat for the coaches, in my opinion, getting highly ranked kids in the door hasn't been the reason why the team hasn't been back to OKC since 2017 and shouldn't be the reason why a change isn't made if Woodward wanted to make one.
Posted by 18handicap
Member since Jul 2014
5355 posts
Posted on 10/27/22 at 10:14 pm to
I know and agree with the recruiting. I just brought up the stats because last season many acted like we had the worst hitting & pitching in the country and we actually were better... now did that amount to more wins? No and that's what hopefully will happen more this season.
Posted by TigerAlum4Life
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2022
76 posts
Posted on 10/27/22 at 11:57 pm to
Exactly MTT71. That's why I noted the political nature of the Extra Innings rankings, and noted that the Top 10 is more like the Top 35. Too many ties. Perfect Game doesn't include ties. If you look at the raw numbers you are correct and the noted players:

--Sierra Daniel and Walker join 3 others tied at 7 (smh)
--17 players listed above the tied for 7 in 1--6
--Bedell "tied for 9" but 27 players listed above her

I think their rankings are fun but less reliable subjective rankings than the more objective approach.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 6:03 pm
Posted by TigahRawr
In a van down by the river
Member since Oct 2022
9 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 7:49 am to
Phillips kid a game changer, chose LSU Over Florida. Pretty sure it had to be mutually beneficial to pull her away from UF
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
2871 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 12:32 pm to
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The point I am mainly trying to make is that bringing in highly rated recruits hasn't been an issue for this staff. It's the progression (offensively, defensively, pitching) of the individual players year over year while they are in the program that has been a point of frustration for years on this board specifically.


I think this is generally correct, but your prior assertion that the offense has CONSISTENTLY declined over the last 5 years is just plain inaccurate. The offense last year was one of the best in school history, but unfortunately slumped at just the wrong time. In the past the pitching has been enough to overcome offensive ups and downs. The difference in the program now is the reliance on only one pitcher versus having 2-3 top notch pitchers. Kilponen couldn’t carry the team on her own like Hoover and Walljasper could. Again, it comes down to Sunseri and Wickersham not developing into that caliber.
Posted by TigerAlum4Life
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2022
76 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 1:23 pm to
Philips kid is solid. Not a gamechanger. She's a great add but not of the caliber of Jones, Harris or Heavener. Do think Philips and Franklin have big upside though. Calvez can be pretty instrumental too given her speed and defensive prowess.
This post was edited on 10/28/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted by TigahRawr
In a van down by the river
Member since Oct 2022
9 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 2:00 pm to
Needless to say, it’s a great recruiting class. Guessing time will weigh all that out when it’s more than just paper driving the Who’s who. All of them are solid, translating their game at the next level is an entirely different animal however and wishing them All great success for the program.
Posted by TigerAlum4Life
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2022
76 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 6:01 pm to
These are not opinions based on "paper". And not how these coaches are making decisions either. The players playing on top level teams at the highest levels against other top level players on top level teams in the top level events is exactly what you will see "at the next level". This is exactly how college coaches make their decisions and why some players require full ride scholarships to gain their commitment vs smaller scholarships.

Not knocking the Philips kid. She is a great player just not the same level as the top end kids, at least up to this point. I personally love the add. Seems like a great kid that works her butt off with some great tools to work with. She may very well develop into a stud of a player and others not develop at all but I think most base their opinions here on track records and raw talent. I think Coach has put together a wonderful 2024 class but there is a reason everyone of them did not receive big scholarships (softball only gets 12).
This post was edited on 10/28/22 at 6:03 pm
Posted by TigahRawr
In a van down by the river
Member since Oct 2022
9 posts
Posted on 10/29/22 at 7:30 am to
Previous comment was directed at the whole, not towards one kid. Continuing to etch away your point really doesn’t have any weight on my opinion of a pecking order, nor should mine do anything for yours. As far as the monetizing of scholarship levels between them all, color me confused why that’s tabled and certainly a thing I choose not hypothesize on. To the point of top level events on top level teams, they certainly All check that box and made commitments in the SEC on the merits of their abilities. Looking forward to our talented 23’ signing class on deck and another successful season for the 24’s
Posted by GeauxRed3581
Member since Jan 2019
299 posts
Posted on 10/29/22 at 4:37 pm to
Is anybody going to be able to make it to the games this weekend?
Posted by TigerAlum4Life
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2022
76 posts
Posted on 10/29/22 at 7:29 pm to
Several valid points, but some recruits "check the box" with a much larger check mark than the others (higher level players, higher level teams, more success at higher levels, etc.). Just making the obvious points--the same ones the coaches use to make decisions. Scholarships raised because they are in direct correlation to the value coaches apply to the recruits.

Bottom line is we have a great 2024 class, right behind a great 2023 class. If Heavener pans out I expect us to be formidable---No pressure Coach Dobbie and Coach Lindsey. Heavener, Berzon ('22), Johnson ('22), Chaffin ('21) and Strood ('22) could end up being a great bullpen. Berzon looks good early on.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 6:04 pm
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