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re: LSU is as good as or a BETTER option than Texas A&M for a top WR.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 4:41 pm to beauchristopher
Posted on 2/8/14 at 4:41 pm to beauchristopher
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but again that all can fall any moment. LSU sustains.. and Texas getting back on track will start to get some of that talent back.
anyone call fall at any moment, you are kind of proving his point through out your post
There is more than enough talent in Texas for both A&M and UT to do well. Besides which A&M is recruiting better than in the past, outside of Texas, not to mention that Strong has stated he will not just stay in Texas either.
Being the SEC gives A&M a selling point they've never had before. They've got a staff that has proven they can recruit. Yeah, if they get stuck at 8-4 it might hurt their efforts, but they've recruited enough talent that they should do better than that. Obviously they will have to improve on D and have gotten some studs, if their D just improves to avg, they will be very dangerous.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 4:46 pm
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Posted on 2/8/14 at 5:01 pm to Salviati
Both schools are great options for top-flight WRs. I think A&M is a little better because they use the slot WR better than we have over the past several years. If you're projecting as the #1 or #2, sure, LSU is just as good as A&M, but if you look at someone like Speedy Noil who projects as an elite slot WR, A&M is clearly a better choice
Posted on 2/8/14 at 5:46 pm to boxcar willie
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For a talented WR pretty much any top tier school or mid tier, or any NCAA school will work
Negative. This is simply not true. I guarantee you..randle, toliver and possibly Shepard would've gone higher in a better run offense with better teaching. Gary crowton cost them money.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 5:50 pm to Salviati
Good discussion and good OP.
I think what A&zm tries to sell is opportunity. Because we'll use 4 and 5 WR sets, kids will naturally get more reps during practice than at a lot of other places. More reps is more opportunity to shine.
I understand that doesn't address head-on your theory, which is that the very elite kids don't need to play in volumous sets to get reps. They get them by virtue of their supreme talent.
Fair.
But when you look at the stat sheet and see the number of attempts, that resonates with kids. Kids aren't always going to delve into a length analysis behind the numbers. Most just correlate attempts with opportunity--of which they always want more.
When you're recruiting several elite kids that message can be compelling.
The point is supported when you consider guys like Derrel Walker and Travis Labhardt. Derrel is a former juco walk-on, and before Travis walked on to the football team he was running with the women's basketball scout unit.
Those guys had significant production this year. So Sumlin can walk into a recruit's home and point not just to stars like Swope and Evans. He can point to the nobodies.
"Listen ___, we were able to get Labhardt 65 catches last year. He's a former walk-on. We were able to feed him like that despite having a Biletnikoff finalist, another guy with 750 yards receiving, and another with 11 TDs. You don't need to worry about opportunity because you're elite. We've proved that there's plenty to go around--even for our white boy walk-ons."
It's not a hard sell. But that's not to say the top 2 at LSU don't have ample opportunity. They do.
I think what A&zm tries to sell is opportunity. Because we'll use 4 and 5 WR sets, kids will naturally get more reps during practice than at a lot of other places. More reps is more opportunity to shine.
I understand that doesn't address head-on your theory, which is that the very elite kids don't need to play in volumous sets to get reps. They get them by virtue of their supreme talent.
Fair.
But when you look at the stat sheet and see the number of attempts, that resonates with kids. Kids aren't always going to delve into a length analysis behind the numbers. Most just correlate attempts with opportunity--of which they always want more.
When you're recruiting several elite kids that message can be compelling.
The point is supported when you consider guys like Derrel Walker and Travis Labhardt. Derrel is a former juco walk-on, and before Travis walked on to the football team he was running with the women's basketball scout unit.
Those guys had significant production this year. So Sumlin can walk into a recruit's home and point not just to stars like Swope and Evans. He can point to the nobodies.
"Listen ___, we were able to get Labhardt 65 catches last year. He's a former walk-on. We were able to feed him like that despite having a Biletnikoff finalist, another guy with 750 yards receiving, and another with 11 TDs. You don't need to worry about opportunity because you're elite. We've proved that there's plenty to go around--even for our white boy walk-ons."
It's not a hard sell. But that's not to say the top 2 at LSU don't have ample opportunity. They do.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 5:54 pm to DWag215
And Duckie nailed it
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Honestly, this thread does nothing but feed the TAMU fans.
It does us no good. I understand your thoughts, but it will just attract a lot of TAMU trolls.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 5:55 pm to Salviati
One other note:
I think you're assuming our best two were equal in talent to the two best at LSU. I disagree.
If we had a guy of either OBJ or Landry's caliber as a second option, I think it's probably fair to assume he'd be taking a combination of looks from our lesser guys (a combination of Walker, Kennedy, and Labhart).
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That wide open offense does not benefit the top WRs at A&M. More to the point, the top two WRs at A&M are not more productive than the top two WRS at LSU.
I think you're assuming our best two were equal in talent to the two best at LSU. I disagree.
If we had a guy of either OBJ or Landry's caliber as a second option, I think it's probably fair to assume he'd be taking a combination of looks from our lesser guys (a combination of Walker, Kennedy, and Labhart).
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 6:01 pm to dreaux
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Negative. This is simply not true. I guarantee you..randle, toliver and possibly Shepard would've gone higher in a better run offense with better teaching. Gary crowton cost them money
Negative, this is simply not true. Randle was a projected as a first round pick AFTER the college season was over. Only once teams started looking deeper into him and interviews did he start to fall. I know for a fact, at least 1 team that liked his film, dropped him on their board because of concerns about his work ethic and or off the field concerns.
And don't mean that to sound like trashing of Randle, he did still go in the 2nd round, but teams do more than look at film if they are going to draft a guy and they found things that gave them pause that had nothing to do with the type of offense he played in in college. GT runs the option and has had guys drafted in the first 2 rounds.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 6:21 pm to Salviati
If a top WR recruit can't look at our offense this year and drool at the opportunity to play in Cam's system then that's not the reason he's choosing schools.
We had the best WR tandem in the country this year and it wasn't close IMO. They were on display every week. They were showcased as much as top WR can possibly be.
Honestly, if you're a highly talented WR prospect, your talents are going to be better showcased in a pro-style, beat-the-man-in-front-of-you system due to the fact that safeties are going to be playing the run and instead of having to sit down in a 2-high safety zone every week, the system is better designed to get behind the defense for huge YAC's.
We had the best WR tandem in the country this year and it wasn't close IMO. They were on display every week. They were showcased as much as top WR can possibly be.
Honestly, if you're a highly talented WR prospect, your talents are going to be better showcased in a pro-style, beat-the-man-in-front-of-you system due to the fact that safeties are going to be playing the run and instead of having to sit down in a 2-high safety zone every week, the system is better designed to get behind the defense for huge YAC's.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 6:35 pm to boxcar willie
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Well they had Manzeil at QB so they ran the offense that fit him. Your going to be more wide open with him at QB. If they have a less talented QB this season they may get more conservative. Your offense is going to be more of a pro-set with a QB like Mett and more free wheeling with a QB like Manzeil. For a talented WR pretty much any top tier school or mid tier, or any NCAA school will work just as well. Some guys want to stay close to home and some want to move on and see other places.
I think it has a lot more to do with the coaches than the Qb's. Miles is a ball control play great defense kind of coach. Sumlin is chunk it and out score them.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 7:26 pm to MF Doom
As he will in ours.... That's the point..... And no he's right if you have 6 top guys they will not all shine, mayb one. That offense really is made for lesser talented guys to shine REALLY is. You may not start right away at LSU? But when it's your turn your a sure millionaire. That's what they want is to get on the field day one and they can offer that.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 7:51 pm to BayouBengal99
I have no idea what point you are trying to make
Posted on 2/8/14 at 8:06 pm to dreaux
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simply not true. I guarantee you..randle, toliver and possibly Shepard would've gone higher in a better run offense with better teaching. Gary crowton cost them money.
no. NFL scouts are looking at how a player, at any position, game translates to the NFL. What they can do for an NFL team is all that matters., All those other things, featured receiver, system they played in, championships won, post season awards, etc. mean doo-doo
Posted on 2/8/14 at 8:45 pm to lsutothetop
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I think A&M is a little better because they use the slot WR better than we have over the past several years.
They use their slot receiver more.
But that doesn't mean those receivers develop as well for the NFL. Offenses similar to those used in the pros develop the best slot receivers.
LSU will have eight receivers in the NFL after this draft. I don't think any other school has that many. Plus think about all the spread passing teams and how many of their players put up huge numbers in college, while struggling big time when adjusting to the NFL.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:13 am to Salviati
Sumlin/ A&M is a pass first offense. LSU is generally a run first offense or balanced at best. An 18 year old kid may not see or know the fine details of why LSU could be a better destination. My guess is he sees or has seen what Sumlin did at Houston and does now at A&M and thinks he's going to be catching the ball more there as opposed to if he's on the same team that has 1-4 top college running backs.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:54 am to Mohican
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Honestly, if you're a highly talented WR prospect, your talents are going to be better showcased in a pro-style, beat-the-man-in-front-of-you system due to the fact that safeties are going to be playing the run and instead of having to sit down in a 2-high safety zone every week, the system is better designed to get behind the defense for huge YAC's
Yes sir.
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