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Posted by tlricks04
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 12:21 pm to
I was really surprised that Dean showed no progress on bars. Her routine was actually worse in terms of form. I’m hoping that Bailey gets healthy for depth purposes.

Also, has anyone checked on Jay? That fall was hilarious!! Kudos to Kiya for staying in the purple zone.
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Tigerbait357
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

was really surprised that Dean showed no progress on bars. Her routine was actually worse in terms of form. I’m hoping that Bailey gets healthy for depth purposes.

Also, has anyone checked on Jay? That fall was hilarious!! Kudos to Kiya for staying in the purple zone.


I think Dean is doing her best but she just has never been the same gymnast since her injuries. It is what it is, she is what she is at this point. She is a decent beamer but her leaps and bent knees on the series concern me. She is at least steady on that event which is more than half the battle.

I really think Kai and Alyona will push for time on beam once they get healthy though. Kai dramatically improved on beam these last two years. It will be interesting to see how these lineups come along once we get kids healthy. There are a couple of returning routines that could get edged out by the freshmen
Posted by BigB0882
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 2:14 pm to
Ferrer posted to social media that due to “personal reason” she will not be competing this season. Plans to compete next year. What is this about? I know it was mentioned she had pneumonia but is it so serious that she can’t compete or train for a long time? Or is more going on?
Posted by tlricks04
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 2:26 pm to
I saw that on her Instragram. Huge loss in terms of depth on bars. Wishing her the best of luck. I know she’ll come back stronger than ever.
Posted by Tigerbait357
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 2:28 pm to
This is a big loss from a depth perspective on vault and bars.

She wasn't going to be in the bars lineup once Alyona gets healthy but she was at least a decent plug in. Our vaulting unit is my main concern right now. We desperately need Ryan and Kai to get healthy ASAP.
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted by tlricks04
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 2:35 pm to
I agree. LSU cannot afford any more setbacks. Those two fulls on vault are going to need to be Sarah Finnegan-esque in order to score well. Here I’m counting four 10.0 sv (Edney, Edwards, Harrold, Johnson) and two fulls (two of either Ryan, Nibbs, D’Antonio or Rivers).
Posted by GeauxRed3581
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 2:47 pm to
In gymnastics can you choose to Redshirt if it isn't a medical reason?
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

I agree. LSU cannot afford any more setbacks. Those two fulls on vault are going to need to be Sarah Finnegan-esque in order to score well. Here I’m counting four 10.0 sv (Edney, Edwards, Harrold, Johnson) and two fulls (two of either Ryan, Nibbs, D’Antonio or Rivers).



Ideally, my lineup

1. Ryan
2. Ruby
3. Kai
4. Edwards
5. Kiya
6. Edney

Kai can do 10.0 vaults so that is not off the table but we need her in the vault lineup
Durante and Desiderio have recently been vaulting so hopefully we can get another decent vault in there somewhere.
Posted by tlricks04
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:00 pm to
Unrelated to LSU gymnastics, but I had a chance to watch the Michigan quad meet today. Michigan is the real deal. They had a lot of mistakes (beam was a hot mess) but I can certainly see them in the Four on the Floor. Sierra Brooks is the real deal. Her bars routine was probably the best routine of the whole meet (scored 9.925). Her FTDLO dismount is actually better than Mollie Korth’s (and that’s saying a lot). They also put up five 10.0 vaults. Some had too much power. I saw a lot of potential in most of their routines. I’m excited to see how they progress as the season goes along.
Posted by Babushka
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 3:40 am to
Some thoughts after watching Gym 101:

VT
- Worrying lack of depth here. The core 5 of Edney, Edwards, Harrold, Johnson and Rivers should suffice but that's only 4 10.0 SVs.
- I wonder if we can eke out a DTY from Rivers. She last competed it 2 years ago.
- Lexie Nibbs looks like the front-runner for that #6 spot. Nice power, just gotta control it.

UB
- I actually think Johnson has the best and cleanest UB routine in the lineup and should anchor. She's basically doing Kyla Ross's routine and can be counted on to stick her dismount.
- I'm surprised that Jay kept the 1/1 pirouette in Rivers' routine.
- Durante's dismount looks much improved. Hopefully she can replicate it in competition.
- Durante, Shchennikova, Rivers, Harrold, Edney, Johnson is a great lineup, but there's a huge drop-off in quality after these 6.

BB
- Johnson seems to be doing way too much difficulty. I'd have her do either the punch front or front aerial. Not both.
- Campbell's switch 1/2 is looking more and more like a switch side with 1/4 turn. I hope they're working on that with her because the rest of the routine is pristine.
- Overall, I feel we need better beam choreography. That's where UCLA and OK excel and it separates great from excellent.

FX
- Echoing my comments on BB, on first impression, the gymnasts deserve better choreography.
- Firstly, why are all of them performing to the same, interchangeable dated electro music?
- I don't get a sense of story or character from these routines, which again is what sets OK and UCLA apart. Even if the choreo is not great, choosing unique music can do so much heavy lifting in terms of presentation.
- Not sure if it's the best idea to have Gunther do a legacy routine.
- Tumbling-wise, I was pleasantly surprised! Esp with the DLO from Edwards and double arabian from Gunther. Johnson's full in was monstrous.

This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 6:58 am
Posted by tlricks04
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 6:16 am to
Vault
I think the final spot will be between Ryan or Nibbs. Nibbs has the power but Ryan has the form. I think both vaults will get better with time.

Bars
I disagree that Kiya should be the anchor. I’m okay with having her lead off right now. She’s the only one w/o a major release. However, I’m pretty sure Ruby will not be the anchor. And Kai is normally spot on with the pirouette. I think she was late because of nerves.

Beam
Beam was fine imo. Yes, Kiya has a ton of difficulty but I trust that she can handle it. She’s a legit beamer.

Floor
Gunter practically having Sydney Ewing’s floor routine was a surprise to me. I totally didn’t expect it. I think it’s fine since I don’t expect her to make the final floor lineup at end of season. I think Edwards, Harrold, Desiderio, Rivers, Johnson, and Edney will be the final six. I do feel that some of the music didn’t match the choreography, mainly Dean and Campbell’s routines. But it’s early and things can always change.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67941 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

VT
- Worrying lack of depth here. The core 5 of Edney, Edwards, Harrold, Johnson and Rivers should suffice but that's only 4 10.0 SVs.
- I wonder if we can eke out a DTY from Rivers. She last competed it 2 years ago.
- Lexie Nibbs looks like the front-runner for that #6 spot. Nice power, just gotta control it.

UB
- I actually think Johnson has the best and cleanest UB routine in the lineup and should anchor. She's basically doing Kyla Ross's routine and can be counted on to stick her dismount.
- I'm surprised that Jay kept the 1/1 pirouette in Rivers' routine.
- Durante's dismount looks much improved. Hopefully she can replicate it in competition.
- Durante, Shchennikova, Rivers, Harrold, Edney, Johnson is a great lineup, but there's a huge drop-off in quality after these 6.

BB
- Johnson seems to be doing way too much difficulty. I'd have her do either the punch front or front aerial. Not both.
- Campbell's switch 1/2 is looking more and more like a switch side with 1/4 turn. I hope they're working on that with her because the rest of the routine is pristine.
- Overall, I feel we need better beam choreography. That's where UCLA and OK excel and it separates great from excellent.

FX
- Echoing my comments on BB, on first impression, the gymnasts deserve better choreography.
- Firstly, why are all of them performing to the same, interchangeable dated electro music?
- I don't get a sense of story or character from these routines, which again is what sets OK and UCLA apart. Even if the choreo is not great, choosing unique music can do so much heavy lifting in terms of presentation.
- Not sure if it's the best idea to have Gunther do a legacy routine.
- Tumbling-wise, I was pleasantly surprised! Esp with the DLO from Edwards and double arabian from Gunther. Johnson's full in was monstrous.



I actually agree mostly with you.

Depth on vault is a concern pending the status of Kai (which I recently heard great news about). Losing Ferrer hurts the depth. One girl we did not see at 101 due to LSU being precautionary is Kamryn Ryan, who was top 4 at JO Nationals on vault. She is most likely filling in that last spot with Kai. Very good vaulter. The depth behind it is a concern though. LSU currently has Sami Durante and Desiderio moving over to vault to add more depth at. this time. Kai has a 10.0 vault but I doubt we see it early. I think the lineup with Ryan, Ruby, Kai, Edwards, Kiya and Edney is a very strong rotation but the girls behind them are a bit of a drop off at this time.

Bars is similar to vault where depth becomes a big issue once we get outside the scope of the top 6 bar workers. I am fine with Kiya going first as she does bare minimum difficulty (outside the double layout) and she is super clean. She will move towards the end of the lineup once she adds in a release move.She does not have the difficulty to be anchoring bars at this time. Kai's bars are going to be great but I wonder if they want to stay with that much difficulty early. Getting Alyona back is the game changer here. LSU misses the seniors the most on this event.

Beam is pretty strong but I still have issues with the amount of difficulty LSU is doing. We are going well and beyond what is required to just start at a 10. I will be honest, the front tuck scares the hell out of me. Its a skill that even elites have issues with at times. We may be pushing the envelope too much early with Kiya's. beam difficulty. Not that she can't do it, but there is an incredible amount of room for things to go wrong with the amount of difficulty she is going. I am hoping we see Kai and Alyona step up here as I get a bit concerned with Dean's constant form breaks and questionable leaps. D'Antonio has potential, I just saw mostly nerves on Friday which is to be expected. Beam choreography outside a select view is a bit stiff and robotic for my personal liking. Desiderio and Campbell have beautiful flow to their routines.

Floor, I am a bit disappointed with music choices and choreography. I feel like we got lazy and repetitive on this event with similar music and choreography. Recycling Ewing's routine was pure laziness. Gunter has a legit shot to break a floor lineup with how she is progressing and with Desiderio struggling a bit with her 2nd and 3rd passes in practice. They should have given her new material. Desiderio's floor music is god awful and I am not sure how that got approved. As for the tumbling itself, we are extremely deep on this event. Kai and Ryan are great floor workers and were with held along with Ruby. The E passes for everyone were superb. I think we can go 8 deep here with minimal drop off with a couple routines.
Posted by jpylan1
Member since Oct 2008
138 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:58 pm to
Some additional thoughts:

- Lexie has a nice full (just needs to clean it up) with nice pop off the table. With her power, I really hope Bob is working a Handspring Pike 1/2. May not see it this year, but i Think that’s more feasible than a 1.5 for her.
- I agree I like Kiya as the lead off on bars and Ruby staying mid-lineup. I’m fine with Edney anchoring until Alyona can prove she has a consistent DL.
- I wasn’t surprised with Kia’s pirouette but I don’t like it. If you think of ALL the additional little upgrades we leave that aren’t needed and then figure out the deductions that come from those, it’s got to add up to at least .10 a meet. Not much, but that more than makes up the difference from starting two 9.95 vaults.
- Really hope we see them pull that front tuck from Kiya’s beam.
- Floor choreography is getting REALLY stale. i love Edwards floor, but the music is horrible. All her cuts of music sound like they don’t belong together.
- I was really impressed with gunter’s floor. Some other site’s claimed she wouldn’t have made her Arabian around without Jay, but i think she would have been fine. Big dancer too!
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted by GeaauuxxFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
1353 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 2:05 pm to
I didn’t like the choreo, and it’s growing old now. ACK should start studying something different. I would prefer Kiya’s JO routine to this one. I’ve never been a fan of being on all fours on floor. I cringed so hard when Boren did it last year. Also, we didn’t give Ewards a new routine to go with her beautiful new DLO? I know Campbell doesn’t bring the “E” pass, but at least routine is something different and has decent dance. Overall, I’m just disappointed in the floor routines.
Posted by gymfan517
Member since Jul 2019
40 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 4:43 pm to
Desiderio was just cleared to full practices early in November after her surgery that she had in May. She is almost 3 months behind everyone else. You probably won't see her in the first meets, but you most likely will later. She is also working on a different second pass, but I guess we'll see if that works out.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67941 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 5:41 pm to
Just an update, Leanne Wong may make a decision sooner than later.

Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
29305 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 5:54 pm to
Is LSU presumed the favorite?
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67941 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 6:17 pm to
quote:

Is LSU presumed the favorite?




If I were 247 and was handling crystal balls, not sure I would touch this. If I was forced to do one, probably Florida as she has been there a lot over the last year. Apparently the academic side is extremely important to her. She visited UCLA with her current teammate and UCLA commit Alexis Jeffrey.

Eaker choosing Utah kinda caught everyone off guard. Wong has been extremely discreet with her recruitment unlike other kids so its extremely difficult to predict. She has been to LSU multiple times and enjoyed her visits so you can't take LSU out the equation either.


Recruiting has been extremely fluid for LSU lately with a lot of surprises. Kiya Johnson was a last minute flip from Georgia. She had been in contact with the coaches a lot and made multiple trips to campus the last 3 months leading up to NSD. Alyona's recruitment was very discreet but there was smoke as she secretly came in for a visit during the spring and told the coaches months prior to her signing this summer that she was BR bound.

Lets see how things transpire moving forward. Jay has worked a lot of magic with his last minute flips/impressions with recruits.
Posted by tlricks04
Member since Jan 2019
1211 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 6:19 pm to
From what I’ve seen online, Florida and UCLA are her top picks but I’ve read Utah has kinda slipped in there too. Not sure if LSU is still in the running or not. But you never know and you can’t believe everything you read on social media.
Posted by 6CA7
Seattle
Member since Jun 2018
12 posts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:25 am to
On the 101 broadcast I kept seeing a young lady in the background on the floor with a pass hanging around her neck. You can see her real well when they were getting ready to go to bars and Bob was sitting in a chair and she was sitting a row behind him. They caught her a few times on camera. Anyone know who she is or was it Shilese Jones possibly?
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