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re: LSU Gymnastics Recruiting Thread (2024 and 2025 Recruiting Classes)
Posted on 3/2/24 at 7:59 pm to LSUgymfan420
Posted on 3/2/24 at 7:59 pm to LSUgymfan420
One thing I noticed last night that the bama coach does that i wish jay would do a lot more of is move the lineups around. The announcers were talking about Lily being made the leadoff after a few different tries. Not saying we need to replace sierra but we could use some lineup changes in beam and floor. Jay just finds what he likes and doesn’t change it. I think if Alexis hadn’t really taken that leadoff last year, he would still be using kiya as leadoff. I think next year he will keep Alexis as leadoff instead of maybe moving her down and putting Tatum in leadoff. I’ve long said for a while Konnor should be down in beam lineup and Aleah up. On floor move Aleah to anchor and make kj lower and kiya higher. For us to build you need to know whose going to build your scores best and jay seems a little too stubborn to do that.
ETA: sorry for the long post!
ETA: sorry for the long post!
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 3/2/24 at 11:03 pm to khill715
To me the issues last night were that in vault we still couldn’t find a single landing (though Haleigh was close). Also, one assumes chase’s full was only in as alternate but that is not a viable strategy in post - season. I am still so confused how her vault has regressed so much we weren’t even willing to give the 1.5 another shot (or honestly, even cammy’s or someone else’s at this point if we had an open spot)
Bars was good - we found some
Landings. Tori was excessively overscored but I think it balanced out because Konnor was under I thought.
Beam is where the real issues are. I wasn’t displeased in general, but almost to a person every single one of them lost focus on the skill right before the dismount and had a fairly significant bobble. Konnor gave up a full tenth as did Kiya, and Aleah. Haleigh gave a half away at least (and should have been more honestly). They have got to get them in a better mode for beam.
Floor was of course lights out. If we can get to the end and luck out to have floor as the final rotation we will have more than shot. Ending on anything else, with Oklahoma hitting as normal, is going to be a tall order.
Bars was good - we found some
Landings. Tori was excessively overscored but I think it balanced out because Konnor was under I thought.
Beam is where the real issues are. I wasn’t displeased in general, but almost to a person every single one of them lost focus on the skill right before the dismount and had a fairly significant bobble. Konnor gave up a full tenth as did Kiya, and Aleah. Haleigh gave a half away at least (and should have been more honestly). They have got to get them in a better mode for beam.
Floor was of course lights out. If we can get to the end and luck out to have floor as the final rotation we will have more than shot. Ending on anything else, with Oklahoma hitting as normal, is going to be a tall order.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 2:56 pm to LSUgymfan420
Just finished watching the Florida and Kentucky meet. Florida went 198.225 on the road and Kentucky 198.10 at home.
Kathy Johnson made the comment that Jenny Rowland designs the beam routines for Florida so the least amount of deductions can be taken. Of course it helps that she is a Brevet Judge and knows the system well. LSU could benefit from having a judge do the same for our beam team.
Florida also put out six 10 vaults. Yuro fulls are not going to score well in the post season. Kentucky received a 10 on one of the front pike half vaults like Haleigh competes.
Kentucky stuck their bar dismounts which LSU is struggling to master. I feel like Jay/Garrett watched this meet but if not, they need to do so.
The SEC Championship will be a hot meet. Hope LSU gets a high "road meet" score this coming weekend to stay in first place going into the SEC Championships.
Kathy Johnson made the comment that Jenny Rowland designs the beam routines for Florida so the least amount of deductions can be taken. Of course it helps that she is a Brevet Judge and knows the system well. LSU could benefit from having a judge do the same for our beam team.
Florida also put out six 10 vaults. Yuro fulls are not going to score well in the post season. Kentucky received a 10 on one of the front pike half vaults like Haleigh competes.
Kentucky stuck their bar dismounts which LSU is struggling to master. I feel like Jay/Garrett watched this meet but if not, they need to do so.
The SEC Championship will be a hot meet. Hope LSU gets a high "road meet" score this coming weekend to stay in first place going into the SEC Championships.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 3:50 pm to Bayougallc
Kind of insane that OU is using no depth this year, what with four all arounders every week (plus Ragan on three events). They just competed twice in less than 48 hrs and used the same lineups both meets.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:15 pm to Bayougallc
Florida was overscored on vault again. All their fx routines are 2 pass which I hate! Judges and watered down/boring routines are making me lose my lose for love for college gym.
No way we start on vault btw.
No way we start on vault btw.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:19 pm to khill715
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No way we start on vault btw.
Do you mean for SECs or Nationals? I was hoping we would start on vault for SECs at least.
ETA: Ok I think I see where you are probably talking about nationals.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:23 pm to LauraGB
Yea I was talking about nationals. I should have been specific.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:55 pm to khill715
No worries! I should’ve read the discussion more carefully at first.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:13 pm to khill715
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Yea I was talking about nationals. I should have been specific.
Starting Aparatus for nationals is ACTUALLY determined by a blind draw before regionals ever begins. It's is not Olympic order for the highest ranked team.
They take and say ok Top seed 1st sesson and draw the apparatus, the 2nd seed 1st sesson and draw. And so on and so on.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:34 pm to DC4LSU
Ugh…well I don’t want them to start on floor and definitely not on beam!
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:42 am to DC4LSU
Last year at the BR podium meet it was difficult to follow the scores. Does anyone know if LSU will have a score board option this year or will we have to follow on Twitter or elsewhere?
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:35 am to Bayougallc
I hope LSU stays as the 3 seed. That regional is looking much better than the 2 seed regional based on the predictions I saw.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 4:35 pm to whoa
[quote]I hope LSU stays as the 3 seed. That regional is looking much better than the 2 seed regional based on the predictions I saw.
Are you speaking of the regional site or the teams that LSU would compete with being the 3rd seed? Based on this week's standings 3rd seed has Kentucky (6), Denver (11), and Auburn (14) but which regional site? The rankings most likely will continue to change. I look for all the regionals to be an intense competition.
Are you speaking of the regional site or the teams that LSU would compete with being the 3rd seed? Based on this week's standings 3rd seed has Kentucky (6), Denver (11), and Auburn (14) but which regional site? The rankings most likely will continue to change. I look for all the regionals to be an intense competition.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 4:45 pm to whoa
The prediction I saw has us with Michigan and ucla - which would be a terrible draw. Generally, I don’t think either has it this year (especially ucla), but Michigan will be at home and we saw Denver’s hugely inflated scores when performing at home last year and, well, Michigan will have a bone to pick. UCLA does have that star power and if they have a good day and we have a bad one…then it’s anybody’s game.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:26 pm to khill715
My few concerns for this team to make a run for Nationals are confidence on the road, all round landings and beam. 1-6 LSU has the best vaults and floor in the country. They have to land better as a team. Bars has been a massive improvement from years past, but again landings are critical. I wonder if they don’t practice on hard surfaces to preserve their bodies. Again it’s a long season and LSU hasn’t been known to pace their athletes. Beam is my biggest question mark. I get Sierra has found her consistency as leadoff, but she doesn’t stick that dismount and her cap is probably 9.8-9.85 . Alexis is the number 2. She will get hit with that low front tuck landing. Nationals they will eat her up. Konnor is the star of the rotation. I think she can score regardless of her placement. Kiya is hot or cold. But also her leap pass is a problem for me. Change it coaches. Bryant is money and should be anchor imo. Now Aleah. Love her and she is the prettiest inconsistent gymnast if thats a thing. Even a past gymnast on the fb group mentioned that she can’t handle that spot and it cost meets at Missouri and Florida. She has the talent to do that routine, but she looks so scared up there no matter the situation. She does not have the consistency to be an anchor this year. That is totally on the coaches. To compete they need that score to be 9.9+ . She is in the top two beamers on the team but has been the dropped score more than not. This is why KJ and Jenny Rowland stay on top. They construct great routines with minimal deductions. They coach as if they are judges. I just don’t understand some of the decision making especially with the experience of Jay. They have the talented gymnast, recruitment, resources, and following. It’s time for results which are championships. Hopefully we can get some 198’s on the road before regionals . LSU has the distinction of being the best team to never have won a National title. It starts with SeC and Regionals. The staff has to learn how to win. Easier said then done but I’m kinda tired of the excuses given the resources the school has and the salary’s of these coaches. That’s why I love Kim Mulkey. Experience, talent, heart and confidence equals championships. No matter the sport
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:31 pm to Sofly225
This is great take, Sofly, my concerns are the same.
One thing, I will add - is I wonder if Jay and co are just not tough enough. We all know how tough of a sport gymnastics is and how bad their bodies are - but sometimes you do have to press for perfection. It seems that KJ has found that balance to create an Oklahoma gym dynasty - if it isn’t this year (and while they have a shot the consistency is sorely lacking), then I am not sure it will be any year.
One thing, I will add - is I wonder if Jay and co are just not tough enough. We all know how tough of a sport gymnastics is and how bad their bodies are - but sometimes you do have to press for perfection. It seems that KJ has found that balance to create an Oklahoma gym dynasty - if it isn’t this year (and while they have a shot the consistency is sorely lacking), then I am not sure it will be any year.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:02 pm to Sofly225
Well said! I’ve been watching gymnastics pretty closely since about 2016. It seems like our teams lack that mental edge that OU seems to have year after year. That and also failure to make changes in routines that may not be as difficult but help the gymnast to be more confident and able to perform more consistently. I do have to admit that they have been doing more of that for some gymnasts lately, but not for all who might need it.
It’s driving me absolutely crazy that Aleah is such a gorgeous beam worker, and she is having so much trouble hitting a clean beam routine this year. It’s probably too late in the season now, but I feel like when she struggled two weeks in a row they could’ve made some small changes to make her feel more confident and comfortable out there. They did for Konnor and it worked wonders for her!
It’s driving me absolutely crazy that Aleah is such a gorgeous beam worker, and she is having so much trouble hitting a clean beam routine this year. It’s probably too late in the season now, but I feel like when she struggled two weeks in a row they could’ve made some small changes to make her feel more confident and comfortable out there. They did for Konnor and it worked wonders for her!
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:29 pm to LauraGB
I usually get thumbs down for these kind of post but reality is you can still be a fan while also being critical . Yes many of us aren’t in the gym and seeing the work put in but as we all see every week some things need to be changed . Opinions are based off performance. Kiya just about every other week struggles on that leap series and looks rushed. Understand that may be her style but smile and breath a little more. Aleah has struggled immensely and it’s not about just picking on her but LSU should be regular season champs if that matters. Why not move her up change a skill something. Obviously by her performance she has struggled and it’s on the coaches to make the necessary changes. And I was so proud of the coaching job last season to make it to the final 4. They performed to their potential. Now this season Every press conference it’s about the talent or getting a good score when Jay is speaking. Then u look at KJ and Jenny they speak on confidence and performance and having fun no matter the environment . Even though Florida is a rival hats off to them. They don’t look scared even if they are they don’t make many mistakes as well as OU and it’s a steady progression. We have a great home meet than can’t duplicate it on the road and then trolls everywhere always scream LSU home scoring is the worst. Gotta be able to perform under pressure when it counts and to me that’s a lack of coaching . Sometimes u need to hear things you don’t wanna hear without being rude than all the media asking the same questions about how great Haleigh is or how great we perform at home. No i need to see confidence I need to see balance when your on the road. I need to see small changes to routine construction or an easier skill that will help with consistency and confidence. My anxiety goes through the roof when we’re on beam. At this stage of these gymnast careers form is form. You either have it or not. But for sure after 4 and 5 years Sierra and Kiya’s leap should have been changed . Like is that so hard to change with all the skills and knowledge of the staff.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 12:11 am
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:07 am to LSUgymfan420
Well if Jay and co aren’t tough enough how can the gymnast be tough enough? Just saying !!!
Posted on 3/6/24 at 7:49 am to Sofly225
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