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re: LSU Baseball 2022 (and beyond) Recruiting Thread (OLD THREAD, PLEASE STICKY NEW ONE)
Posted on 6/26/22 at 3:55 pm to TigerHeart22
Posted on 6/26/22 at 3:55 pm to TigerHeart22
College programs are not in the business of making sure a good recruit has a spot on the field day one. JJ is here to win baseball games, that doesn’t mean he’s not committed to them anymore. He’s expecting you to trust your ability and come in and win a job. If someone is getting offered millions then they should and would be taking that money anyway to go play pro ball. The guys that show up and are highly rated, are there because they trust the staff to develop them over a 2 or 3 year period and make them more money. A few transfers that will be here 1 maybe 2 years shouldn’t deter someone from coming or not. At least not imo. The guys that make it will believe in their ability enough to show up and compete for a spot day 1. They can always transfer or go juco and head to the draft. If the reason they go pro is that the staff took some transfers and they aren’t committed to me anymore then I wouldn’t want that kid on campus anyway.
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 3:57 pm to TigerHeart22
We still haven’t reached a “normal” with the portal yet, in general and specifically with LSU.
We are still filling holes and haven’t reached a point where our coaches are forsaking guys they’ve brought in and had on the roster for multiple years for guys in the portal. We have been shedding guys that didn’t develop or couldn’t contribute at our level.
Same with most schools loading up in the portal.
But there are also screwy roster rules and changing limits that make it attractive to get COVID year guys this year and next year. It will level off some after that. With more years of the 20 round draft and some small changes that were implemented with the combine, that stuff will normalize too.
I don’t think we will be portal shopping to this degree every season. It will be a place to fill holes. The holes will come from guys not making it to campus, not recruiting over the ones that did. Unless they don’t develop.
We are still filling holes and haven’t reached a point where our coaches are forsaking guys they’ve brought in and had on the roster for multiple years for guys in the portal. We have been shedding guys that didn’t develop or couldn’t contribute at our level.
Same with most schools loading up in the portal.
But there are also screwy roster rules and changing limits that make it attractive to get COVID year guys this year and next year. It will level off some after that. With more years of the 20 round draft and some small changes that were implemented with the combine, that stuff will normalize too.
I don’t think we will be portal shopping to this degree every season. It will be a place to fill holes. The holes will come from guys not making it to campus, not recruiting over the ones that did. Unless they don’t develop.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:05 pm to ProjectP2294
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We still haven’t reached a “normal” with the portal yet, in general and specifically with LSU. We are still filling holes and haven’t reached a point where our coaches are forsaking guys they’ve brought in and had on the roster for multiple years for guys in the portal. We have been shedding guys that didn’t develop or couldn’t contribute at our level.
You nailed it. We need infield depth and of course starting pitching sooner than later at this point. I’ve been impressed with Jay’s approach to the portal so far with addressing our needs and his recruiting appears to be balanced.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:08 pm to ProjectP2294
Just adds another thing to consider. These kids have to think about themselves first…….coach is protecting his $$ and the fans want to win of course Why is the kid considered “soft” or scared or “we don’t want him anyway” because he protects himself? I just think it will be a deterrent at least for the next couple of years.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:11 pm to TigerHeart22
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Why is the kid considered “soft” or scared or “we don’t want him anyway” because he protects himself?
You’re tilting at windmills with this. No one is actually taking this stance.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:15 pm to ProjectP2294
Also part of the baseball field conversation but there was a little “I don’t want that kid on campus anyway” above.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:15 pm to TigerHeart22
I’m not saying I do think that way about it because I have the premise that most kids are not making that choice strictly because their future coach bolstered his roster with some depth. So if a kids final variable is he doesn’t believe he’s good enough to beat out a couple guys on the roster so imma go pro…then yeah I don’t think that’s the competitive spirit I would be looking for. I just don’t actually think it has that kind of impact on these caliber of players we are recruiting. They all think they are the best players on the field. The guys that were going to take 1.5 - 2 mil were taking it anyway.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:54 pm to ccarrone0313
I said it for the Carter young thing and I’ll say it again. I think people expect all these kids to think irrationally about their ability, and I don’t think most do. They have agents, coaches and family all trying to figure out what’s best for them short term and long term. Will they quit going to college because they are worried their coach will recruit over them once they are on the roster? Probably not. But if a guy like Guidry, who’s a DES, looks at the depth chart and see 3 upperclassman transfers being brought in and expected to start in year one, it’s quite possible that becomes another variable in his decision. If he’s got a clear path to the field, however, that probably also becomes a variable.
As far as what the other guy says, the portal does work both ways. Tommy White absolutely hosed NC State by leaving after year 1 of 3. That completely changed their roster for the next 3 years. The players that make it to college will continue to have this option just like the coaching staff does.
As far as what the other guy says, the portal does work both ways. Tommy White absolutely hosed NC State by leaving after year 1 of 3. That completely changed their roster for the next 3 years. The players that make it to college will continue to have this option just like the coaching staff does.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:04 pm to bugafor6
I definitely can see it more for the DES over the 3 year guys. My thought is if a guy is thinking about signing for 1.5 mil and is a second rounder, he was probably signing anyway because he’s only passing that up if he really wants to be at school. A guy going in the 10th round and thinking about it probably wasn’t going to be your day 1 starter anyway so I don’t think it is as impactful.
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:07 pm to ccarrone0313
I don't think it impacts the top HS players. If they are good enough to go pro, they are good enough to compete on campus and then go pro. I think it does impact the average HS players though.
This is how I see the portal changing the landscape of college baseball.
We are going from building a team through recruiting to build a new team every year. There is no need to recruit average players anymore. Go after the studs that you can convince to pass on pro ball and fill the holes with portal players.
Average HS players can go to smaller schools, prove themselves and then get picked up in the portal after a year or two by the big programs with a NIL deal to go with it.
Signing classes will be smaller and more top heavy. Smaller colleges will become the farming system for the big colleges.
The universities that can afford NIL money on portal players will dominate college baseball.
This is how I see the portal changing the landscape of college baseball.
We are going from building a team through recruiting to build a new team every year. There is no need to recruit average players anymore. Go after the studs that you can convince to pass on pro ball and fill the holes with portal players.
Average HS players can go to smaller schools, prove themselves and then get picked up in the portal after a year or two by the big programs with a NIL deal to go with it.
Signing classes will be smaller and more top heavy. Smaller colleges will become the farming system for the big colleges.
The universities that can afford NIL money on portal players will dominate college baseball.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:07 pm to TigerHeart22
I don’t think LSU is blocking any recruit from playing time yet. In fact I think they are probably factoring it in with every move
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:13 pm to ProjectP2294
A&M baseball insider saying they’ve picked up 3 more transfers that havnt yet announced, 2 supposedly ‘big’. The 3rd is a pitcher from Sam Houston state
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:17 pm to beardkp
3 transfers to A&M or LSU?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:17 pm to Lester Earl
You already have JT, Pineda, White, Simon and Leto. Now we are talking about another infielder? Rumor is both Romero and Guidry have a relatively high number because they both want to go to school (neither were considering less than 2 million). How does what is happening with the portal change that?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:31 pm to beardkp
Are they in on Hurd?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:41 pm to beardkp
Well, that FSU guy (who was right) said we had 5 more to announce.
I don't see how anyone they pick up could be bigger than Tommy Tanks.
I don't see how anyone they pick up could be bigger than Tommy Tanks.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:00 pm to ccarrone0313
Yea I agree with that. I just try to look at it from the point of view from the player. These high end guys have a lot of people talking to them and giving them official and unofficial advice. I personally think anyone who’s getting less than 2M should go to school, but I completely understand someone for leaving for a 1m or even 800k.
One thing Jason Kelly said before he left, which was spot on. If you take the chance and go to college and fail miserably, you weren’t going to make it in the pros either. Now obviously, you can get a nice check and be a bust and still come out well, but this is in line with the thinking that a good player is going to be good no matter what they choose.
One thing Jason Kelly said before he left, which was spot on. If you take the chance and go to college and fail miserably, you weren’t going to make it in the pros either. Now obviously, you can get a nice check and be a bust and still come out well, but this is in line with the thinking that a good player is going to be good no matter what they choose.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:03 pm to Tjcajun
I’m not sure, but mostly is why I shared that. If they really are big then you’d assume they’d probably be people we also were in contact with but idk. The guy didn’t share their names
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:05 pm to beardkp
Did he give you a timeline of any kind?
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