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Look at the positives for 2024 and 2025.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 7:54 am
Posted on 11/18/23 at 7:54 am
True, the DL situation is lacking. We lost (or we processed, shite I don’t know) two ranked DBs, as well. Okay.
This is just a focus on the positives. Not even shaming any of you that expect more. Just an Observation Take a look.
1. We got a qb that is all lsu to class up a level. ——with another 2025 guy that is the same age possibly commuting a year after.
2. We got our one RB with 2025 guys waiting to possibly commit.
3. WR looks fine and not as ranked as you’re used to but give the nations best offense some slack here. 2025 commits are gooood.
4. Oline is exactly where we want to be.
Not counting any future flips, this is what we’ve been waiting for on OL talent.
5. TE has dudes waiting in line behind dudes. Then we have a 6-5 legacy committed in 2025. This is where we want to be.
6. DL——lacking. Can be addressed like wingo, Jefferson and Shand. Still have hope. Obviously getting seniors to develop is ideal but we don’t have a functional dl coach. It’s a Kragthorpe scenario. Not great but okay. Kelly will deal with it.
7. Linebacker looks great. Very happy with the four commits we have unless singleton is a safety. And we need those four because I do t see too much interest next year from lb.
8. Safety needs two more….can be addressed if singleton stays at lb. Think we need more because I don’t see too many La safeties for 2025.
9. Six dbs committed overall. Frank finds dogs.
This is just a focus on the positives. Not even shaming any of you that expect more. Just an Observation Take a look.
1. We got a qb that is all lsu to class up a level. ——with another 2025 guy that is the same age possibly commuting a year after.
2. We got our one RB with 2025 guys waiting to possibly commit.
3. WR looks fine and not as ranked as you’re used to but give the nations best offense some slack here. 2025 commits are gooood.
4. Oline is exactly where we want to be.
Not counting any future flips, this is what we’ve been waiting for on OL talent.
5. TE has dudes waiting in line behind dudes. Then we have a 6-5 legacy committed in 2025. This is where we want to be.
6. DL——lacking. Can be addressed like wingo, Jefferson and Shand. Still have hope. Obviously getting seniors to develop is ideal but we don’t have a functional dl coach. It’s a Kragthorpe scenario. Not great but okay. Kelly will deal with it.
7. Linebacker looks great. Very happy with the four commits we have unless singleton is a safety. And we need those four because I do t see too much interest next year from lb.
8. Safety needs two more….can be addressed if singleton stays at lb. Think we need more because I don’t see too many La safeties for 2025.
9. Six dbs committed overall. Frank finds dogs.
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 8:24 am to dstone12
So only 2 areas are up to expectations: RB and OL.
All others are underperforming or down right awful.
Great success there.
All others are underperforming or down right awful.
Great success there.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 8:31 am to dstone12
Retention, Recruiting and then Transfer Portal is the BK way for 2024
Posted on 11/18/23 at 8:36 am to dstone12
Good luck finding many positive fans here. You see they know more than the people who coach these kids. They are all better college coaches and judges of talent than the actual coaches. Yes we need to shore up the defense but to call for firing House after on 1 year and a half is ludicrous. BK and House has just 1 recruiting class on campus. Having to come in after O's firing having only 39 scholarship players was about as bad as it gets for a first year HC and staff. Add to that the loss of Brooks and dealing with a few head cases in the scondary really hurt. BK and House had to scramble like hell to find D Lineman and DB's. They had to take some chances on guys like Denver Harris and others. Hell House can't even find enough bodies to run nickel and dime packages.
I trust BK and if he trust House that's good enough for me.
I trust BK and if he trust House that's good enough for me.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 8:38 am to saturncube21
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Retention, Recruiting and then Transfer Portal is the BK way for 2024
This guy gets it. Unquestionably, the most important “recruits” this off season are a few JRs on this team. Wings, Smith, BTJ, I am sure there are more.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 8:48 am to Carbonman
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Yes we need to shore up the defense but to call for firing House after on 1 year and a half is ludicrous. BK and House has just 1 recruiting class on campus. Having to come in after O's firing having only 39 scholarship players was about as bad as it gets for a first year HC and staff. Add to that the loss of Brooks and dealing with a few head cases in the scondary really hurt. BK and House had to
House is horrible and should've only been a linebacker coach at lsu, not running the entire defense.
Almost every hire he made on defense was bad. The one elite guy he had, Jamar Cain, he supposedly ran off.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 9:03 am to Geauxgurt
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So only 2 areas are up to expectations: RB and OL.
All others are underperforming or down right awful.
Great success there
I love how you gloss over the most important position group, the QB room. Our LB room is also up to snuff. Really only 2 can really qualify as needs improvement, DB and DL. So basically the opposite of what your dumb arse said.
Like a typical Rantard, I can just take whatever you say, and be pretty confident that the opposite is actually true. Dumbass.
Go back to the rant and post more about how Nuss should be starting over Jayden. Dumbass.
Yes, I know I said it twice. He deserved both of them.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 9:13 am to Geauxgurt
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So only 2 areas are up to expectations: RB and OL
I see seven, but you be you.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 9:35 am to dstone12
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House is horrible and should've only been a linebacker coach at lsu, not running the entire defense.
Almost every hire he made on defense was bad. The one elite guy he had, Jamar Cain, he supposedly ran off.
Really? So House was our DC last year when we won the SEC West something not you nor anyone anywhere thought was possible. Try giving any DC anywhere 39 fricking scholarship players in his first year and see how he does. Let's see, A$M has 4 and 5 stars everywhere for 4 years in a row yet we are ranked they are not. You are a simpleton. You think it doesn't matter we don't have enough players on defense. That it doesn't matter we had only 39 scholarship players. IT DOES FRICKING MATTER. 1,yes, just fricking 1. Hear me again JUST 1 FULL RECRUITING CLASS on campus under BK and House.
Go pull for Tulane don't need your ignorance here.
This post was edited on 11/18/23 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/18/23 at 9:37 am to dstone12
OL was a huge one that everyone expected BK to recruit heavily. I mean, look what he did at ND with OL recruiting.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 9:39 am to ZenFNmaster
I would even say, we have recruited elite everywhere but DT and Corner. Safety recruiting has been fine.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 10:35 am to LSUminati
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I would even say, we have recruited elite everywhere but DT and Corner. Safety recruiting has been fine.
You are correct. However keep in mind that a coach like Kelly who was well known but didn't have the advantage of knowing and have the relationships with all the high school coaches and players in Louisiana and the South in general. Cover corners are scare and having to come in and compete with the Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss, A$M and gobs of established power houses had to be amazingly tough. Then there is the NIL money. Sorry but we at the moment can't compete with the A$M's and the Texas's of the world.
This post was edited on 11/18/23 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/18/23 at 10:47 am to LSUminati
First of all, good post OP. Even though there are negatives it's not a disaster class overall. In most circumstances it would be a fine class aside from DL recruiting and even there if we believed in the guys we have on campus and coaching them up. Therein lies the issues with the class and current "mood" of many.
Depends on your definition of elite. Mine seems to differ from half our fans and that's ok. We all have our own thinking processes.
QB- Underwoods elite. Land him and the conversation about Collins and Hurley changes.
RB-elite. Franks done a wonderful job here and '25 is trending great
WR-put '24 in a vacuum and it's got questions but overall with '23 and the makings of '25 we can't complain much.
TE-elite. We may have the best room in the country
OL-elite. Even if the rankings can't agree about our '24 group, compared to our past Davis has done a masterful job.
Edge/WDE-not much to gripe about unless you just can't let Colin Simmons go. '25 of utmost importance. Perhaps another in this class
DT-the conundrum. Even the CB mess can't fathom how we got in this position considering our history of studs. This spot and the coaching instability may make or break Kellys tenure. Even if you love the guys we've gotten(very few) this position just isn't up to snuff
LB-i shy away from elite because there are questions but through our history it's close to status quo. We've never landed tons of "elite" ranking guys. Problem is the coaching. He doesn't even trust the kids he himself brought in. Makes it hard to trust Houses evals considering how badly he's mismanaged the players on the roster. Speights should never see the field and is always on it. That filters through to everything with Houses fingerprints on it. Ill give an incomplete until we figure out House. I do like the group.
CB-another conundrum but it isn't all bad. The spin around the way it's shaped up is more aggravating than the actual kids. Compounding things are the questions surrounding each kid in the 4 man group. Johnson-transitioning from QB; Woodlands-going from no take to take in a week and then the spin; Causey-SR film wonder who was previously passed on; Foster-small and does he even belong
S-elite or close enough. Standard LSU group.
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we have recruited elite everywhere but DT and Corner.
Depends on your definition of elite. Mine seems to differ from half our fans and that's ok. We all have our own thinking processes.
QB- Underwoods elite. Land him and the conversation about Collins and Hurley changes.
RB-elite. Franks done a wonderful job here and '25 is trending great
WR-put '24 in a vacuum and it's got questions but overall with '23 and the makings of '25 we can't complain much.
TE-elite. We may have the best room in the country
OL-elite. Even if the rankings can't agree about our '24 group, compared to our past Davis has done a masterful job.
Edge/WDE-not much to gripe about unless you just can't let Colin Simmons go. '25 of utmost importance. Perhaps another in this class
DT-the conundrum. Even the CB mess can't fathom how we got in this position considering our history of studs. This spot and the coaching instability may make or break Kellys tenure. Even if you love the guys we've gotten(very few) this position just isn't up to snuff
LB-i shy away from elite because there are questions but through our history it's close to status quo. We've never landed tons of "elite" ranking guys. Problem is the coaching. He doesn't even trust the kids he himself brought in. Makes it hard to trust Houses evals considering how badly he's mismanaged the players on the roster. Speights should never see the field and is always on it. That filters through to everything with Houses fingerprints on it. Ill give an incomplete until we figure out House. I do like the group.
CB-another conundrum but it isn't all bad. The spin around the way it's shaped up is more aggravating than the actual kids. Compounding things are the questions surrounding each kid in the 4 man group. Johnson-transitioning from QB; Woodlands-going from no take to take in a week and then the spin; Causey-SR film wonder who was previously passed on; Foster-small and does he even belong
S-elite or close enough. Standard LSU group.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 10:52 am to dstone12
I agree with everything you are saying here. But would like to point out Defensive line recruiting is pretty close to the most important position to recruit when it comes to the SEC and recruiting. Even QB you only have to get 1 great transfer as has been proven with Burrow and Daniels. You need like 8 good to great Dlinemen minimum.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 11:23 am to Geauxgurt
quote:LB is great, and CB has a lot of potential with 4 guys that got many offers from other top teams.
So only 2 areas are up to expectations: RB and OL.
All others are underperforming or down right awful.
Great success there
We got an immediate impact safety and another that looks damn good. I know people are going to talk about no experience, but with Sage Ryan, Ryan Yaites, Jordan Allen, Javien Toviano, Kylin Jackson, Dashawn McBryde, and Joel Rogers, we have tons of talent and they will all be college ready physically. It's the type of Safety room you expect at LSU.
I love what Billiot can bring to the table at WR, and Watkins is another speed demon. With Nuss ready and willing to take the top off the defense, Hilton, Brown, and Watkins will get plenty deep balls over the next 2 seasons.
We also got a damn good prospect at QB. The kid has immense potential, and we just saw what Sloan did with Daniels.
This post was edited on 11/18/23 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/18/23 at 11:27 am to Palm Beach Tiger
Only year 2 in recruiting and only one class actually eligible to play. Let me repeat;
Only year 2 in recruiting and only one class actually eligible to play.
Only year 2 in recruiting and only one class actually eligible to play.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 11:42 am to Chalkywhite84
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House is horrible and should've only been a linebacker coach at lsu, not running the entire defense.
Why did you like Matt House last year but not this year Chalky?
Posted on 11/18/23 at 11:47 am to Geauxgurt
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Geauxgurt
Never trust the guy who says dumb shite.
Or thought that Walker Howard was still at LSU in September 2023.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 11:49 am to Lester Earl
Gogurt is a low class poster
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:06 pm to ZenFNmaster
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ove how you gloss over the most important position group, the QB room.
Meet have one QB commit that is a project. Underwood is not committed yet and until he is and signs, please stop counting him as a get.
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Our LB room is also up to snuff.
Based on what? It has been one of the worst units on the team? We got some good recruits coming and a some in house, but Perkins is a player without a position and not a true LBer.
I think WR is in good shape, but not amazing.
Again, this could change by signing day, but this class might be ranked high but having a great OL and no DL means LSU goes 9-3 / 8-4 at best in the coming years of this is how the recruit.
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