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re: Les Miles is the Best Recruiter in CFB
Posted on 5/27/16 at 5:20 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 5/27/16 at 5:20 pm to dgnx6
My only 2 areas of displeasure were OL and QB in the past...but it appears that the present and future are really looking up for all positions now that the staff has gotten improvement...if this staff can remain stable for a year or two more, the sky is the limit for multiple NCs!
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:10 pm to AlwysATgr
Les isn't the best individual recruiter in the country, but he has put together the best recruiting staff in the nation. Even after we lost Frank Wilson, I still think our staff is arguably the best in the nation. Which is pretty incredible when a lot of people considered Frank Wilson as the best recruiter in the nation.
Les, Ed O, Grimes, Dameyune Craig, Aranda, Jabbar Juluke, Corey Raymond, Cam Cameron, Peveto, and getting Austin Thomas back was HUGE.... Just a truly awesome recruiting staff.
Les, Ed O, Grimes, Dameyune Craig, Aranda, Jabbar Juluke, Corey Raymond, Cam Cameron, Peveto, and getting Austin Thomas back was HUGE.... Just a truly awesome recruiting staff.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:29 pm to AlwysATgr
Miles is a much better recruiter than a game day coach.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:32 pm to AlwysATgr
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Les Miles is the Best Recruiter in CFB
nah
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:37 pm to AlwysATgr
I hope the down voters of the OP get abducted by aliens !
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:40 pm to JG77056
Yes he is its ESPN hype that has carried sabin!
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:42 pm to DallasTiger45
Dallas I have no patience with sabin suckers .has he been to your house !
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:52 pm to timm6971463
I mean, I don't like the guy...but not sure how you can deny that Saban is the best recruiter in the country.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:32 am to timm6971463
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Dallas I have no patience with sabin suckers
what i have no patience for is people that are so delusional that they become dishonest to themselves.
Saban's first full class at LSU in 2001 after barely 15 months on the job, was a #1 (depending on the service) or at worst top 5 class, this despite spending pretty much all of his coaching career in the Big 10 or the NFL (even a chunk of his NFL career was in Big 10 country). He also had another top 2 class in 2003 and in 2004, though technically after he won his first NC, was basically lined up before the BCS CG vs OU. He then proceeded to rack up top classes in his 2nd and 3rd year at Alabama before winning there. So to the extent that he benefits from winning titles, it is because he is a great recruiter, not the other way around.
Miles is top 5-10, which is no slouch.
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 11:33 am
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:47 am to Lester Earl
lester earl your just a back end !
Posted on 5/28/16 at 11:53 am to dgnx6
here's some of the best. It's worthless arguing who's 2-10, imo. Saban is a clear number 1 though.
Saban
These can all make their case for top 5:
Meyer, Fisher, Miles, Harbaugh, Freeze (we know what's going on though), Swinney, Richt, Kelly
However, all these guys have unfair resource bases compared to everyone else in the country. It can change annually depending on your season.
The entire list is very subjective.
Saban
These can all make their case for top 5:
Meyer, Fisher, Miles, Harbaugh, Freeze (we know what's going on though), Swinney, Richt, Kelly
However, all these guys have unfair resource bases compared to everyone else in the country. It can change annually depending on your season.
The entire list is very subjective.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 12:00 pm to KG5989
Putting together the best staff is really remarkable for a school like LSU. Especially after losing Wilson. Thats the HC's job to put LSU first or near the top in all categories that are key to success. He's a special coach and CEO. Theres not much to dislike about LSU football, other than the passing game these days. Les is clearly one of the games absolute best recruiters of both players and coaches.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 12:04 pm to Duckie
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However, all these guys have unfair resource bases compared to everyone else in the country.
the problem i have with this argument is, there are clearly times when schools that have great resources fall off. Take USC for example. When Carroll was there they were racking up top 5 classes annually, now not so much. Ditto Texas with Mack Brown, The U etc, etc. LSU didn't "recruit itself" before Saban and Miles, Shula wasn't bringing in top classes either. Nick Saban could not get the level of talent he gets at Bama and did at LSU if he was still coaching Toledo, so you need resources but you also need to be a great recruiter.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 12:10 pm to Duckie
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Saban, . . . Meyer, Fisher, Miles, Harbaugh
Most of the times when a coach is new at school, e.g., Meyer/Harbaugh, he can sell the "it's a new day here." That fades after a few years. Les is entering season 12 so he doesn't have that.
Likewise, when a coach wins championships, e.g., Saban (4 of the last 6) and to a lesser extent Fisher ('13). He can sell that. Les would have a hard-time selling that especially against Bama's recent run.
Let's see if any of these guys can recruit as well as Les is doing when championships and the "new day" factors aren't in play.
I'm not saying Les is the best HC. I think it's pretty clear that Saban is. I think the jury is still out on Harbaugh and Fisher. Meyer, maybe a slight edge - but remember Les was 3-3 w/ him head-to-head at UF.
That Les recruits on the level he does year-after-year leads me to conclude he's the best recruiter in CFB.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 12:18 pm to AlwysATgr
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That Les recruits on the level he does year-after-year leads me to conclude he's the best recruiter in CFB.
in other words, facts be damned, you just reach the conclusion you want because he is your coach
Miles is a great recruiter, but holding it against Saban that he not only recruits great talent, but actually achieves with said talent is at best a reach.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 1:24 pm to H-Town Tiger
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in other words, facts be damned, you just reach the conclusion you want because he is your coach
Nope. I simply attempted to normalize things so that "recruiting" could be compared all to itself.
Consider this: if we went on a run and won 4 of the next 6 natty's and Saban none, do you think it might have some impact on recruiting for both?
FTR, I am very critical of Les where it needs to be: Fundamental Flaw in Les's Football Philosophy
Posted on 5/28/16 at 2:47 pm to AlwysATgr
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Nope.
Yep
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I simply attempted to normalize things so that "recruiting" could be compared all to itself
No, you are finding an excuse to make your guy #1 by holding Saban's success against him.
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Consider this: if we went on a run and won 4 of the next 6 natty's and Saban none, do you think it might have some impact on recruiting for both?
Again, this would have credence if Saban just started having #1 classes, but he didn't. He;s only had 1 class after winning 4 in 7 years. He had 2 top 2-3 classes at LSU before winning a title in 2001 and 2003, and that while being new to the region and then a 3rd that was basically wrapped up in 2004, though they "signed" a month after he won his first at LSU so the title had minimal if any effect. He then did the EXACT SAME thing at Bama. Getting top 1-3 classes in 2008 and 2009 (before he had won there) and had a top class in 2010 lined up before winning the 2009 BCS CG. You just making excuses and penalizing Saban for winning with the elite classes he signed just so you can declare your guy #1. Its as bad an example of confirmation bias as there could be
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FTR, I am very critical of Les where it needs to be: Fundamental Flaw in Les's Football Philosophy
good for you, doesn't change the fact that some how claiming arguably the GOAT recruiter isn't better than "your guy" because he actually wins with his talent and doesn't just send a bunch of guys to the NFL from an Outback Bowl team.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 3:38 pm to AlwysATgr
Too bad he don't know how to take the leash off the offense and let those studs he recruits really show out
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/28/16 at 4:30 pm to gatortrav88
He knows how to unleash a capable QB. Jeez, the bullshite perceptions that this man and our team has to deal with has gotten old. You can argue that he cant find a QB or develop one
thats fair. Although, this is Cam's job and why he was brought here, it still the HC thats to blame.Miles hasnt done worse than 8-5 since hes been here.who csn say that in this league?
He plays to win the game with the players and QB' s he has. Are you going to unleash Jennings and Harris these last 2 years against these defenses?
LSU woouldnt have beaten Ole Miss or Alabama last year with Mettenberger. Arkansas was a different story but its not like he lost to Memphis or Toledo or took Fla Atlantic into overtime at home. The three games he lost was to teams that had superior QB play to his.
He really had a 10 win season last year while breaking in a young QB with a stacked SEC West. Theres not many that wouldve done any better last year with that LSU team in the history of the game.
thats fair. Although, this is Cam's job and why he was brought here, it still the HC thats to blame.Miles hasnt done worse than 8-5 since hes been here.who csn say that in this league?
He plays to win the game with the players and QB' s he has. Are you going to unleash Jennings and Harris these last 2 years against these defenses?
LSU woouldnt have beaten Ole Miss or Alabama last year with Mettenberger. Arkansas was a different story but its not like he lost to Memphis or Toledo or took Fla Atlantic into overtime at home. The three games he lost was to teams that had superior QB play to his.
He really had a 10 win season last year while breaking in a young QB with a stacked SEC West. Theres not many that wouldve done any better last year with that LSU team in the history of the game.
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 5/29/16 at 12:34 am to H-Town Tiger
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Again, this would have credence if Saban just started having #1 classes, but he didn't. He;s only had 1 class after winning 4 in 7 years. He had 2 top 2-3 classes at LSU before winning a title in 2001 and 2003, and that while being new to the region and then a 3rd that was basically wrapped up in 2004, though they "signed" a month after he won his first at LSU so the title had minimal if any effect. He then did the EXACT SAME thing at Bama. Getting top 1-3 classes in 2008 and 2009 (before he had won there) and had a top class in 2010 lined up before winning the 2009 BCS CG. You just making excuses and penalizing Saban for winning with the elite classes he signed just so you can declare your guy #1. Its as bad an example of confirmation bias as there could be
It's not unusual for a coach to show a spike in recruiting success his first year or two at a school' even more so at a school with great tradition but who's been 'down' in recent years, e.g., Meyer at OSU, Harbaugh at UM, Saban at LSU (circa 2000), and Saban at Bama (2007-'08). It's what I called the "it's a new day here" factor.
Similarly, when a school (and coach) are winning championships, they can sell that to recruits. Les doesn't have either of these to leverage. So how does he continue to recruit at such a high level? Answer that.
What he does with his talent is a separate issue. Somehow, you're not getting that part. The title in the OP is: "Les Miles is the Best Recruiter in CFB" not"Les Miles is the Best HC in CFB." I could neither assert nor defend that. But I stand by my claim he's the best recruiter.
Maybe you need to go sharpen your pencil.
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