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re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:32 pm to roscoe mike
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:32 pm to roscoe mike
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Aren't we all?
No. We all aren't. Some of us choose to look at reality as it is, not to try to shape it into our pre-established ideas.
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:34 pm to roscoe mike
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I'm sorry. If you have a 4* DE going to high school on your campus, you need to get him. This shite needs to stop.
If you followed recruiting at all and understood TW whole recruitment then you wouldn't say dumb shite like that! He didn't want to play in our scheme!! It's ultimately the kids decision where he wants to go not the schools. LSU can't force someone to play for them!
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
Don't disagree with anything in your post. But I just don't dismiss 4 and 5 stars from La. going to Bama as easily as some.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:35 pm to Prominentwon
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It's irrelevant. Those kids wanted to leave the state. LSU replaced them with kids better or as equally as talented.
This whole fence around the state bullshite is for suckers. Especially considering LSU cherry picks recruits from other states.
You argument is about as relevant as his.
Ah yes, here's Prominentwon, riding in on the horse named Delusion to peddle his favorite meme: the fate. These Louisiana players were fated to leave the state, it was encoded in their DNA from birth, it was inevitable, the muses foretold it, nothing any coach in the world could have said or done would have changed it. It was predestiny, that's why they left the state, and it had nothing to do with the fact that Saban was a superior coach, was more persuasive, won more championships, has more NFL credibility, simply recruited them more effectively, or any other rational factor. It was written in the stars.
What utter crap.
And where is the evidence for your ridiculous assertion that we always replaced these lost players with equally talented kids? Tell me again, what equally talented DB did we replace Collins with last year? What equally talented LB did we replace Duvall with? What equally talented DE are we going to replace Williams with?
Here is the truth, the unavoidable truth: LSU offered several of these hihgly ranked in-state kids and WANTED them. They chose Alabama - our divisional rival- instead. That isn't some great triumph for the program. That isn't something to celebrated or ignored as if it doesn't matter. But go ahead and tell yourself that it is.
You are offensively dumb.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:35 pm to The312
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The OP's general point is valid: Alabama under Saban has plucked several highly touted recruits out of Louisiana. And try not to be completely delusional, LSU offered and wanted several of those players (Collins, Duvall, Williams, etc.) It's not a good thing to lose top in-state recruits to a divisional rival. Let's not try to pretend that it is, or that it is somehow immaterial.
Is it good that its a divisional opponent? No. However are we losing anymore than previously no? No.
2003 Lost 5 of top 15 all four stars.
04 2 of top 11
05 lost a ton but we had barely any schollys to offer
06 2 of top 10 both four stars
2013 2 of top 10, 3 of top 15
Nothing is changing only recently instead of going to UT or OU they are going to a place where a coach knows all the schools from a previous coaching stint.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:36 pm to TigerFan2211
Chavis plays 3-4 a lot.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:36 pm to The312
quote:Collins was a special teams afterthought for Bama this year. Not sure he took a snap at safety.
what equally talented DB did we replace Collins with last year
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:37 pm to roscoe mike
Only one of those has done anything to speak of at Bama (so far) - Lacy.
Miles already had a stable of backs and RB commitments, why take a risk on a scholarship to Lacy?
LSU has also had one significant Alabama contributor recently - Josh Williford, but we also have Stephen Rivers, Kwon Alexander and Connor Neighbors.
I look at it this way, yes Alabama has signed some players, but I think it reflects on the richness of Louisiana's home-grown players - one of top per-capita states, if not THE top.
LSU has STILL consistently signed Top 10 or better signing classes, with an occasional Top 3 or 5 (like the 2013 one should be), and keeps MOST of the 5 and 4 star players home.
Buck Fama. Hard.
Miles already had a stable of backs and RB commitments, why take a risk on a scholarship to Lacy?
LSU has also had one significant Alabama contributor recently - Josh Williford, but we also have Stephen Rivers, Kwon Alexander and Connor Neighbors.
I look at it this way, yes Alabama has signed some players, but I think it reflects on the richness of Louisiana's home-grown players - one of top per-capita states, if not THE top.
LSU has STILL consistently signed Top 10 or better signing classes, with an occasional Top 3 or 5 (like the 2013 one should be), and keeps MOST of the 5 and 4 star players home.
Buck Fama. Hard.
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:37 pm to The312
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Let's not try to pretend that it is, or that it is somehow immaterial.
I'm not surprised you would say this. You never grasp that there is more than 1 side. You see only those guys lost, not the guys we replaced them with
Of course LSU wanted those guys, but we replaced them with other highly regarded prospects: Thompson directly replaced Collins. Will he be as good? We'll see. I don't think having a slightly better safety is the difference between winning and losing.
We lost Devall, signed Alexander. Devall, who is not from La, he just finished HS here, wanted to play in a 3-4 apparently.
We have a solid DL class this year so far, we will see how it ends.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:37 pm to The312
quote:Have a taste for the dramatic, do we?
The312
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:38 pm to The312
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Here is the truth, the unavoidable truth: LSU offered several of these hihgly ranked in-state kids and WANTED them. They chose Alabama - our divisional rival- instead. That isn't some great triumph for the program. That isn't something to celebrated or ignored as if it doesn't matter. But go ahead and tell yourself that it is.
Lsu should turn away all the out of state guys they get because the in state team there probably wanted them too.
You possibly have the biggest Saban hard on displayed on this message board. Seek help.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:38 pm to roscoe mike
I don't even recognize any of those names besides lacy and one other. The reason for that is that they have not been major contributors and have been a non-factor.
The REAL reason why they had their run is because Saban got the type of players he wanted and then could use them in his plan. That's all. Saban is the reason.
The REAL reason why they had their run is because Saban got the type of players he wanted and then could use them in his plan. That's all. Saban is the reason.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:38 pm to MetryTyger
No one on that list really stands out. Lacy is the only argument, and I much rather have 6 deep that could start anywhere in the country. You are never going to be able to get every person in your state...and we didn't recruit lacy bc he wasn't academically gonna qualify...then somehow did for bama...
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I'm not surprised you would say this. You never grasp that there is more than 1 side. You see only those guys lost, not the guys we replaced them with
312 be objective? Impossible. Biggest bama fan on here.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:40 pm to roscoe mike
Your whole stupid argument is based on what Rivals thinks they are coming out of high school, not what they actually become
Do you see how idiotic that is?
Do you see how idiotic that is?
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:40 pm to The312
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it had nothing to do with the fact that Saban was a superior coach
This is your answer for everything. You think the whole world operates like a ranking list. It does not.
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Tell me again, what equally talented DB did we replace Collins with last year? What equally talented LB did we replace Duvall with? What equally talented DE are we going to replace Williams with?
Thompson for Collins
Alexander for Devall
We have 2 OOS DL, Neal and Herron in this class take your pick.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:41 pm to The312
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what equally talented DB did we replace Collins with last year?
Corey Thompson. If Collins is better, it's not by much and enough to warrant your bellyaching.
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What equally talented LB did we replace Duvall with?
Kwon Alexander. A kid from Alabama.
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What equally talented DE are we going to replace Williams with?
Frank Herron
Any more brain busters?
Go back to the Rant where you know more about calling for the program destruction.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:42 pm to roscoe mike
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Chavis plays 3-4 a lot.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:43 pm to BeeFense5
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312 be objective? Impossible. Biggest bama fan on here.
Why is it that any time there is an argument about any topic, the predictable morons resort to this ad hominem lunacy that I am a Bama fan?
Where were you the noght of December 31st? I doubt it was in the Georgia Dome, with me. How about 1/9? Not in the Superdome, with me. How about 11/4? Not in Tiger Stadium, with me.
I'm not a Bama fan simply because I recognize the objective truth: it's not a good thing to lose top in-state recruits to Alabama. We would be better off if it didn't happen. Just admit that simple truth and the argument is over. But you won't, because your incapable of wresting yourself from your delusions.
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:43 pm to BeeFense5
312 be objective? Impossible. Biggest bama fan on here
its not even that he's not objective, he is either a lawyer or maybe an engineer, because he sees things only in absolute terms. 10 is always greater than 9, but in sports the "better" coach/team/player doesn't always win.
Landon Collins was a better prospect than Corey Thompson. So what, doesn't mean they will turn out that way. Dre Kirkpatrick was a higher ranked prospect than Mo Claiborne, was he better?
Other than pointing out Saban is the better coach, which pretty much no one would deny, I fail to see his point. Other than to run down his own team and fellow fans.
We lost some in state players we wanted? So, what should we do about it? As long as we replace them what's the issue?
its not even that he's not objective, he is either a lawyer or maybe an engineer, because he sees things only in absolute terms. 10 is always greater than 9, but in sports the "better" coach/team/player doesn't always win.
Landon Collins was a better prospect than Corey Thompson. So what, doesn't mean they will turn out that way. Dre Kirkpatrick was a higher ranked prospect than Mo Claiborne, was he better?
Other than pointing out Saban is the better coach, which pretty much no one would deny, I fail to see his point. Other than to run down his own team and fellow fans.
We lost some in state players we wanted? So, what should we do about it? As long as we replace them what's the issue?
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 12:45 pm
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