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re: Just had an informal meeting with an ex-st aug coach.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:38 pm to Ryno_Kill
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:38 pm to Ryno_Kill
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. It's really not hard to connect the dots people.
Connect them for me.
nick saban is putting together his own staff at St Aug to push kids towards Alabama?
is that what your dots say?
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Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:
you posed a question, I answered with another question.
I was simply giving LE an explanation. Not asking actual questions. It was rhetorical
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
You assume everyone is an upstanding citizen. What these guys have done is in the same league as Sean nelson.
Using your logic, I should never fear cops. They have no motive to do anything but protect and serve, right? Then you read about that Atlanta cop going around raping women at home alone. Yeah, you trust that motherfricker holmes. Trust him after they purposely fricked our DE haul last year.
Using your logic, I should never fear cops. They have no motive to do anything but protect and serve, right? Then you read about that Atlanta cop going around raping women at home alone. Yeah, you trust that motherfricker holmes. Trust him after they purposely fricked our DE haul last year.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 5:06 pm to BigEdLSU
18 fricking pages about Crutchfield and no Raising Cane's mention???
You can read below and it sounds like a good Katrina recovery story, but if I remember correctly Crutch was accused of using more than his share on that rather large house in Happy Jack/Port Sulphur.
One of his former assistant coaches told me Crutchfield loves Saban. And I know he mentions Saban in the book The Hurricanes.
Yes I am wearing tin foil on my head.
I don't like Crutchfield as HC at a 5A Louisiana school strictly because I don't think it's good for LSU recruiting. Do I think he's a threat? No. But it's not a positive thing for us.
You can read below and it sounds like a good Katrina recovery story, but if I remember correctly Crutch was accused of using more than his share on that rather large house in Happy Jack/Port Sulphur.
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QUESTION: Did your donations go to individuals?
GRAVES: Coach [Cyril] Crutchfield [of South Plaquemines High School] received $50,000 to start his house. He is so driven to help the athletes and students, he would live in that [FEMA] trailer forever, so we thought the money could be a catalyst for him to do something for himself. He also spent $50,000 on students and athletes through his foundation.
One of his former assistant coaches told me Crutchfield loves Saban. And I know he mentions Saban in the book The Hurricanes.
Yes I am wearing tin foil on my head.
I don't like Crutchfield as HC at a 5A Louisiana school strictly because I don't think it's good for LSU recruiting. Do I think he's a threat? No. But it's not a positive thing for us.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 5:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
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This Crutchfield guy has won a state title, was apparently let go
he was fired, for making inappropriate statements about a female student..
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This is the guys career. Being Nick Saban's lawn jockey will not put food on his table.
it very well could if he has asperations of coaching at the NCAA level
i'm not saying i agree/disagree with any side of this argument... all i want to say is that in my MANY dealings with coach crutch over the years, i've come to find out that he is arrogant, he is shady, and he is not the person i'd want to coach my son (if i had one)
he IS a hell of a coach though, needs to work on team discipline however
Posted on 4/5/12 at 9:28 pm to Mr. Hangover
Imo this is all just another case of overexageration and panic from LSU fans. It happens at least once every year and 9 out of 10 result in nothing bad. People keep saying Saban is in LSU's head and they're partly right. He's in the fans' heads. It's an obsession and fear that needs to end. He's not THAT good. Bowden and FSU, JJ and the Canes he built and Carroll at USC were at the same level and imo higher and what happened? They fell and so will Saban and Bama. It's just a cycle of a great head coach's career. Les is in his "up" cycle as well and let's wait and see how it plays out before just giving in and deeming Saban "unbeatable" and Godlike as a head coach.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:40 pm to BigEdLSU
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Using your logic, I should never fear cops. They have no motive to do anything but protect and serve, right? Then you read about that Atlanta cop going around raping women at home alone. Yeah, you trust that motherfricker holmes.
See the problem isn't my logic, because you don't even understand what I'm saying, because by your logic everything is in stark contrasts black and white, Jedi Good, Sith Bad and that's it, well the world doesn't work that way. I don't assume the guy down the street is going to shower me with gold, but I don't assume he's going to beat me with a stick on sight. That doesn't mean you can't be cautious.
Think about the comment you just made about the cops. You are acting like cops are just this one universal entity that all act either one way or the other. Of course there are bad cops that commit crimes, but most don't. Why would you assume they are all just going to rape women? Of course you should always be cautious, a lot of times there are signs you can look out for that someone is up to no good.
As for Crutchfield, if he is a dirty and sleazy as some of you say, then like most sleaze bags, his # 1 priority is himself. He coaches HS FB in Louisiana, to openly declare war on LSU for no good reason is not going to do him any good. Doesn't mean he can't like Saban and Bama better, doesn't mean he can't try and steer guys to Bama, but he's not be able to just send every good prospect St Aug has to Bama. Again, what would he do if Bama isn't interested in the kid, like they weren't after TM7? Is he not gonna help the kid at all? That would not be good for his career.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:43 pm to Mr. Hangover
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it very well could if he has asperations of coaching at the NCAA level
Nick Saban is not the only guy coaching in the NCAA FYI. Guys like Les Miles, Frank Wilson and staff could help him also. Would seem pretty fricking stupid to put all your eggs in one basket and burn all your bridges if you have those types of career aspirations.
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i'm not saying i agree/disagree with any side of this argument... all i want to say is that in my MANY dealings with coach crutch over the years, i've come to find out that he is arrogant, he is shady, and he is not the person i'd want to coach my son (if i had one)
I'll take your word for it since I never heard of the guy until a couple weeks ago. But if he is as slimy as you say, then his #1 agenda is certainly himself. It would be in his best interest on all fronts to maintain a good relationship with as many college coaches as he can.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:46 pm to lsufanva
quote:
Connect them for me.
nick saban is putting together his own staff at St Aug to push kids towards Alabama?
is that what your dots say
It would appear thats what the dots are telling them
quote:
this is all just another case of overexageration and panic from LSU fans. It happens at least once every year and 9 out of 10 result in nothing bad. People keep saying Saban is in LSU's head and they're partly right. He's in the fans' heads. It's an obsession and fear that needs to end.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
So, you are saying I judge in only black and white.
Please explain the grey area surrounding the way Holmes told Mack brown to call off the in home visits, and leaked to OB to keep hush on Davis? How about the way he guided Toshiro to lie to our staff so that we couldn't land another de, which was a need position in last years class?
Does that sound like a guy who expects or hopes for a les miles rec later down the road?
Please explain the grey area surrounding the way Holmes told Mack brown to call off the in home visits, and leaked to OB to keep hush on Davis? How about the way he guided Toshiro to lie to our staff so that we couldn't land another de, which was a need position in last years class?
Does that sound like a guy who expects or hopes for a les miles rec later down the road?
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 4/6/12 at 12:04 am to BigEdLSU
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Please explain the grey area surrounding the way Holmes told Mack brown to call off the in home visits, and leaked to OB to keep hush on Davis? How about the way he guided Toshiro to lie to our staff so that we couldn't land another de, which was a need position in last years class?
Don't bring facts into this hypothetical bull...
Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:06 am to BigEdLSU
Can we all at least agree that what Holmes pulled on LSU was wrong?
Posted on 4/6/12 at 8:19 am to LSUNO
Crutchfield should take a lesson from Coach Wilson when Wilson sent 3 players to LSU from his high school and Saban promised him a spot on the staff at the time but turned his back on Wilson. That was the Craig "Buster" Davis trio. So I don't think sending one player to Saban if true will make a difference. JMO
Posted on 4/6/12 at 9:03 am to tigerfoot
quote:Let's assume his motives are entirely pure (which they very well may be), and that he simply wanted Bradley to go to Bama because he thought it was the best place. You don't think he would (again, with perfectly honest motives) give that same advice to a player/parent/guardian that solicits his help in the recruiting process?
I would think a person could seperate personal(stepson) versus professional pretty easily.
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/6/12 at 9:04 am to Lester Earl
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This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 9:05 am
Posted on 4/6/12 at 9:09 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:
Connect them for me.
nick saban is putting together his own staff at St Aug to push kids towards Alabama?
is that what your dots say
quote:Here's the problem. That's not what most of us are saying at all, that's just what you want us to be saying so you can win an e-fight and play with your stupid little emoticons. What most of us are saying is that, with an HC who has a happy stepson at Bama and a DC that went out of his way to help two players spurn LSU, recruiting at St. Aug might get a little bit harder for LSU. Would you not agree?
It would appear thats what the dots are telling them
This post was edited on 4/6/12 at 9:10 am
Posted on 4/6/12 at 9:29 am to BigEdLSU
I am calling BS on just about everything that former coach said.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 9:47 am to Gravitiger
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What most of us are saying is that, with an HC who has a happy stepson at Bama and a DC that went out of his way to help two players spurn LSU, recruiting at St. Aug might get a little bit harder for LSU. Would you not agree?
That's a little more rational that many of the posts I've read, I can't disagree with that, but not to be a smart arse, define harder. I mean recruiting at a high is tough regardless imo. If you take for granted certain kids will go to your school, you will be in trouble. You always have to work. Even if the old staff was still at St Aug, there would still be a chance Fournette goes to Alabama anyway.
So I'm not sure how it gets "harder" for LSU to recruit St Aug in a meaningful way. So the DC talks up Alabama, do you really think he'd flip a kid that grew up an LSU fan? do you really think that influence over rides all other adults these kids come into contact with? Even if he hates LSU with every fiber in his being, he can't keep LSU from contacting kids. Its not like they can ban Frank Wilson and Les Miles from campus.
Also maybe you can answer this. What are Crutch and the DC gonna do with a prospect that LSU likes but Bama doesn't recruit? Tell him to walk on at Bama? Go to Tulane?
At the end of the day we are talking about 1 or 2 recruits every couple of years. Fournette's do not come along every year in the state, let alone at one school. We were going to have to fight for him no matter who the coach at St Aug was. Having a "pro Bama" coach may not help LSU in getting him, but I don't think it will be the determining factor either. If he goes to Bama my guess is seeing what Ingram and Richardson accomplished will have an bigger impact that Crutchfield.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 9:55 am to H-Town Tiger
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DC that went out of his way to help two players spurn LSU,
I wanted to comment on this separetly. I'm not sure what players you mean? Devall and Davis I assume, but your use of the word spurn is very telling. As an LSU you (and I) view guys that choose not to go to LSU as spurning us, but that's not necessarily true. Alabama and Texas are great schools and programs. As an LSU fan, we can't see anyone not wanting to play for LSU, but in reality those are good options. Maybe there was some sleazy stuff that went down. I've heard rumors that Florida and Miami fans think it was sleazy how we got P Peterson. That stuff goes on. Losing Davis sucked because he flipped on NSD and we couldn't get replacement for 2012, but with Devall, we went into Alabama and got Alexander at LB (Speaking of that, don't you think the coaches at his HS are more likely to be pro Bama than LSU?). Amd while we missed out a DE in 2012, we are after guys for this year including a couple from Texas.
Posted on 4/6/12 at 10:19 am to H-Town Tiger
If you don't realize what was sleazy about Davis and Texas, you either ignore my posts or don't follow recruiting much possibly both.
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