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Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:10 am to Lester Earl
Lester ur last two post I would really have to agree with my boy. Also he might have pushed him to Bama bc it might have been the best fit for his child. Remember our qb situation was exactly the best thing.
Make that the last three.
Make that the last three.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 11:15 am
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:15 am to 5Alive
Before this continues does anyone happen to have a list of players that crutch or Holmes has coached that were legit top level recruits and where they committed. This seems like 18 pages of pure speculation. Not saying what you guys think isnt true but I would like to see all the top level recruits they have had, where they committed, and who they had offers from and if you have such a list please list all the players not just ones to make your argument one way or the other. this would be a lot better then the constant he said she said crutch said holmes said debates.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:18 am to 5Alive
I mean if Bama is giving them something for sending kids to Bama, then yea, that is messed up. But there just isn't a big enough sample size. If they continue to do that, in the heart of LSU country, you better believe someone will look in to it.
I don't think they can be that stupid.
Holes had a big time LB recruit on his hands. How are you going to hate him for pushing him to Bana or Texas or anywhere else? LSU hasn't exactly had successful LBs recently
I don't think they can be that stupid.
Holes had a big time LB recruit on his hands. How are you going to hate him for pushing him to Bana or Texas or anywhere else? LSU hasn't exactly had successful LBs recently
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 11:20 am
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:25 am to Lester Earl
quote:I think some assistants have more say than you think. I think Holmes is one of them. That LSU got kids from Bastrop while he was there doesn't mean he wasn't encouraging them to look elsewhere (or that he was). Just means that, if he was, it didn't work in those cases, for any number of possible reasons.
He's an assistant, he has little say in the recruiting process. He was an assistant at Bastrop when LSU was getting their players. I guess he just stopped pushing kids to Bama at that point.
quote:Despite the lack of precedent, I think we can say with a fair amount of certainty that a guy who strongly encouraged his own stepson to attend Bama over LSU would probably not hesitate to do the same with a player he merely coaches.
Do I think some head coaches influence kids? sure. I dont think we have enough evidence that Crutchfield does so. He hasn't had many LSU or Alabama kids under his wing as a coach.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 11:36 am
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:33 am to Lester Earl
quote:Quick, name all the successful NFL LBs out of Texas lately.
Holes had a big time LB recruit on his hands. How are you going to hate him for pushing him to Bana or Texas or anywhere else? LSU hasn't exactly had successful LBs recently
If LSU doesn't have many LBs in the NFL right now, that's on Pellini and Peveto (neither of whom coach here anymore). Since Chavis got here, we have graduated 2 senior LB. One became a fulltime starter as a rookie, the other became a fulltime starter in his second year. That's not a coincidence.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:35 am to Gravitiger
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Despite the lack of precedent, I think we can say with a fair amount of certainty that a guy who strongly encouraged his own stepson to attend Bama over LSU would probably not hesitate to do the same with a player he coaches.
Like most of the posts on this board, you don't have enough information to say either way. That's not an insult or anything. But 95% of the post on this board are based on speculation. It's no different from a soap opera. Conspiracy theories, under the table payments, lying & cheating.... I mean come on. It's high school football.
In all honesty if Crutchfield wants to try and send kids to Bama, he has the right to. In the end it will come down to the kids decision. LSU will still have their shot. If a kid likes Bama over LSU, who are you to chastise him?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:44 am to Lester Earl
quote:Of course it's speculation. That's why I've been so careful to use "I think" and "probably" and "might" throughout the discussion. I try not to argue in absolutes unless I know I'm right. Nevertheless, it is speculation based on relevant facts. Then again, if I don't have enough information to say with certainty either way, neither do you, and any argument that he won't influence his players is also mere speculation.
Like most of the posts on this board, you don't have enough information to say either way. That's not an insult or anything. But 95% of the post on this board are based on speculation. It's no different from a soap opera. Conspiracy theories, under the table payments, lying & cheating.... I mean come on. It's high school football.
In all honesty if Crutchfield wants to try and send kids to Bama, he has the right to. In the end it will come down to the kids decision. LSU will still have their shot. If a kid likes Bama over LSU, who are you to chastise him?
Honestly I have nothing against anyone who doesn't choose LSU for any reason (Jackson, Collins, Devall, anyone really). When we don't get somebody, I just move on to the kids we do get. That doesn't mean I don't want LSU to have the easiest path possible to recruit the kids we want.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 11:49 am
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:36 pm to Gravitiger
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I think we can say with a fair amount of certainty that a guy who strongly encouraged his own stepson to attend Bama over LSU would probably not hesitate to do the same with a player he merely coaches.
I would think a person could seperate personal(stepson) versus professional pretty easily.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 1:45 pm to tigerfoot
When DeCarlos Holmes was an assistant at Bastrop, the head coach there was an LSU guy. Can't recall his name ATM, maybe Bradford. He did not have the same opportunity at Bastrop that he has at Aug.
As far as striking a student and whether the Holmes incident was "corporal punishment," as far as I know St. Aug is the only high school that has institutionalized corporal punishment as a tradition of discipline. Lacking this institution at another high school, striking a student is striking a student.
As far as striking a student and whether the Holmes incident was "corporal punishment," as far as I know St. Aug is the only high school that has institutionalized corporal punishment as a tradition of discipline. Lacking this institution at another high school, striking a student is striking a student.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 1:52 pm to tigerfan4120
Bingo
Posted on 4/5/12 at 3:19 pm to tigerfan4120
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When DeCarlos Holmes was an assistant at Bastrop, the head coach there was an LSU guy. Can't recall his name ATM, maybe Bradford. He did not have the same opportunity at Bastrop that he has at Aug.
Then why are people worried about Holmes is the HC has all the control?
He couldnt sway people at Bastop, but he'll be able to at St Aug?
Makes sense.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 4/5/12 at 3:45 pm to Lester Earl
JT Curtis and Jay Roth are Bama plants IMO FWIW
Posted on 4/5/12 at 3:49 pm to tigerfoot
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I would think a person could seperate personal(stepson) versus professional pretty easily.
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Posted on 4/5/12 at 3:50 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Then why are people worried about Holmes is the HC has all the control?
He couldnt sway people at Bastop, but he'll be able to at St Aug?
Makes sense.
I'm not arguing one way or the other, but if what people are alluding to is correct, if the HC and DC are both pushing kids to Bama and on the same page, it would be much easier to push kids to Bama.
If the HC has an agenda, why wouldn't he hire people who will work with him to push kids there?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:12 pm to Duckie
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If the HC has an agenda, why wouldn't he hire people who will work with him to push kids there
Why would the HC have an agenda other than winning football games? This Crutchfield guy has won a state title, was apparently let go and now has a job at a pretty big, prestigious school, but some of you think his main focus will be to push kids to Alabama.
This is the guys career. Being Nick Saban's lawn jockey will not put food on his table. As the HC at a big school like that he will have to deal with administators, boosters, parents, people in the community, many of which will be LSU supporters or supporters of some other school besides Bama or even neutral. Those people are not just go along with an agenda os pushing kids out of state just because the coach wants the kids at Bama.
All of that aside, most of you are just assuming he will act like you would. Just because he likes and respects Saban doesn't mean he'd be hostile to LSU, doesn't he also have a good relationship with Wilson. What is he going to do if LSU is interested in a kid, but Alabama isn't? Try and push that kid to Bama?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:17 pm to Lester Earl
Holmes dislike for LSU has come about in the last few years. It's really not hard to connect the dots people.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Why would the HC have an agenda other than winning football games? This Crutchfield guy has won a state title, was apparently let go and now has a job at a pretty big, prestigious school, but some of you think his main focus will be to push kids to Alabama.
You seem to have forgotten to read the part where I stated that I'm not arguing one way or the other.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:31 pm to Duckie
quote:
You seem to have forgotten to read the part where I stated that I'm not arguing one way or the other.
you posed a question, I answered with another question.
This just in a new coach wants to have a staff he hired. Certainly not unique to Crutchfield.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:37 pm to Duckie
quote:
If the HC has an agenda, why wouldn't he hire people who will work with him to push kids there?
again, they coached together way back in Port Sulphur before Hurricane Katrina. That is the big connection here. Not alabama.
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