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re: Just had an informal meeting with an ex-st aug coach.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 1:32 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 4/4/12 at 1:32 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Do you really think that if Nick Sabans closet friend went to coach at WM that he'd have so much sway that all their best players would go to Bama and none would ever go to LSU? Come on.
not all, but it would become easier for Saban to recruit that school. What if Luther Davis became the next HC at WM, you dont think that would help Saban recruit those kids? No, that isn't gonna make every blue chipper sign with Saban but it's gonna help his cause.
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And again, I reiterate, Alabama is still subject to the 25/85 rule and the SEC's new oversigning restrictions. Its not like the State of Alabama's devoid of talent. Their primary recruiting base will still be Al, Ga, Fl, Ms, no matter how many of Saban's friends coach at La HS.
none of this means a hill of beans. La has talent, Saban will recruit here. He has offered a ton of La kids since he's been at Bama. He may sign MORE from GA, MS, FL, and Bama, but he recruits La pretty hard.
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Do you really think the influence of the HC in HS will completely over ride every other factor in a kid deciding where he wants to go?
Stop making up such extreme situations. Noone said a kid is going to choose a school only because of his HS coaches advice.
A HS recruit looks to his HC for recruiting advice and in some cases a HCs attitude toward certain schools or certain college headcoaches can have an effect on a how a HS recruit perceives that school or coach.
If in fact Crutch has a better relationship with Saban than LSUs coaches, which I dont know if he does. Him being at St Aug will only help Saban recruit that school in the future.
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Posted on 4/4/12 at 2:13 pm to bee Rye
Bee Rye please don't get me started on that relationship that just came out the blue. Cousins starting to come out the woodworks you know what I mean?
Posted on 4/4/12 at 2:40 pm to 5Alive
quote:hah, of course i know what you mean, everyone in NOLA has plenty of "cousins" who appear when things may be convient for them
Cousins starting to come out the woodworks you know what I mean?
Posted on 4/4/12 at 2:56 pm to LUS Tiger in FL
quote:My bad.
My comment was meant as a joke to DeLarge.. He always bring word regarding SA
Posted on 4/4/12 at 3:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:If that's the standard, you will never find an "elite" talent producing high school. There has never even been a college that has consistently produced that level of NFL talent.
But if you look back at the recent talent, its not like we are talking about 15-20 elite, first round guys every 4 years.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 5:00 pm to Gravitiger
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If that's the standard, you will never find an "elite" talent producing high school. There has never even been a college that has consistently produced that level of NFL talent.
Exactly, so there's really no need for the top coach in the business to set up a "pipeline" at any one specific school now is there?
Posted on 4/4/12 at 5:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Not unless you think a school that produces 5-10 good to great college players over a decade or so is worth having a pipeline to. I would think so, but that's just me.
Exactly, so there's really no need for the top coach in the business to set up a "pipeline" at any one specific school now is there?
ETA: Not saying Saban helped install Crutch at St. Aug to establish a pipeline (or that Saban would have any kind of power or sway to do so). Just saying that there are plenty of schools that it's worth having a "pipeline" to, and St. Aug is probably one of them, when you look back over the past few years and ahead to the next few.
This post was edited on 4/4/12 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 4/4/12 at 5:22 pm to Gravitiger
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Not unless you think that a school that produces 5-10 good to great college players over a decade or so is worth having a pipeline to. I would think it is, but that's just me.
In theory I don't disagree, but it makes more sense if either its in your state, or you are in a state that doesn't produce enough talent (for example OU looking to Texas). But that's not the case here. Alabama produces a ton of talent and they border 2 states that produce more than La in Ga and Fl.
I also agree that St Aug is a school where it would make sense. But we are really only talking about 3-4 really high level (top 50-100 guys) over a 7 year span. Turner and Austin are nice recruits, but you don't need a pipeline from St Aug to Bama for those level guys and you don't need a pipeline to heavily recruit guys like Fournette or Chad Jones. Does Les have a buddy at the school were PP7 went?
Another thing too, we are just assuming that what top guys are a pipeline school are guys they want no matter what and those kids would want to go there. They didn't recruit TM because of his size and he really doesn't work in their scheme anyway imo. And while its not far from NO, its not as close as BR and while some kids like Collins don't care, most want to stay close by.
Having an friend at St Aug is not a negative for Saban of course, I just don't think it really matters in a tangible way. What ever influence the coach has will not be the deciding factor, a factor, OK, the factor, no, not for more than one or 2 recruits here and there if that.
This post was edited on 4/4/12 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 4/4/12 at 7:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
Indeed Gravitiger, the Knights don't have to impress everyone around here, but you better believe we will be a pipe line now that we have the coaches and a steady enrollment...
The '14 class alone will produce some hefty recruits:
-We all know Mr Fournette
-6'0 DB Jermaine Roberts
-6'1 DB Blaise Brown, who is also a very good baseball player
-6'4 WR Marlon Watts who balled at the NUC camp
-6'4 DE Austin Craig
-6'6 OL Joseph Paul
There are more, plus I haven't included a few from the '13 class who will also shine..
Would love to see most/all stay P&G, but we all know LSU cannot pick'em all...
The '14 class alone will produce some hefty recruits:
-We all know Mr Fournette
-6'0 DB Jermaine Roberts
-6'1 DB Blaise Brown, who is also a very good baseball player
-6'4 WR Marlon Watts who balled at the NUC camp
-6'4 DE Austin Craig
-6'6 OL Joseph Paul
There are more, plus I haven't included a few from the '13 class who will also shine..
Would love to see most/all stay P&G, but we all know LSU cannot pick'em all...
Posted on 4/4/12 at 7:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
Dude I have been staying out of the petty back and forth, but I have to point something out, two things really...
First, if you don't think a coach can influence kids and decisions, you are crazy. You may want to educate yourself to the games Texas coaches play with kids. Oh a top guy gets an official visit to a competing school? Cool with me, I'll just have mandatory practice or film time on the exact same date. Miss it, you don't play again.
Second, you are really articulate and all of that, but you are hard to understand. It must be sabans nuts in your mouth.
First, if you don't think a coach can influence kids and decisions, you are crazy. You may want to educate yourself to the games Texas coaches play with kids. Oh a top guy gets an official visit to a competing school? Cool with me, I'll just have mandatory practice or film time on the exact same date. Miss it, you don't play again.
Second, you are really articulate and all of that, but you are hard to understand. It must be sabans nuts in your mouth.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 7:45 pm to BigEdLSU
This is a Big Deal and people need to magnify and amplify this.
Any coach/s that consistently drives talent OOS to a single rival, needs to be "watched closely".
The more it happens the more accepted it will become. Its not like the education is any better at bama so the reason is purely otherwise.
Any coach/s that consistently drives talent OOS to a single rival, needs to be "watched closely".
The more it happens the more accepted it will become. Its not like the education is any better at bama so the reason is purely otherwise.
This post was edited on 4/4/12 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 4/4/12 at 8:01 pm to MoreOrLes
Anyone that argues st aug hasn't become an LSU pipeline post Katrina is really sounding silly. It's more than just a pro Bama guy at some school. There is now a pro Bama guy at an LSU pipeline.
St aug is on the rise. They have pumped a few dozen d1 guys out since Katrina. Not all are LSU caliber. Most aren't. But when a school constantly pumps out d1 talent, eventually some of them are going to be really big fish.
It sure as hell doesn't help us out one bit.
St aug is on the rise. They have pumped a few dozen d1 guys out since Katrina. Not all are LSU caliber. Most aren't. But when a school constantly pumps out d1 talent, eventually some of them are going to be really big fish.
It sure as hell doesn't help us out one bit.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 8:57 pm to Lester Earl
i am sure this has been posted by now but i can't read thru all yalls crap.. St. Aug=Private School, can get anyone that will attend. Saban now has a foothold in NOLA. Why don't you get that? Regardless of Fournette, he can now rule over NOLA when he decides who needs to attend St. Aug. You always see only one angle but there is more to this than meets the eye. How long was Saban's extension? He is setting up NOLA to be his recruiting grounds for the future and what better than a Private School that can get anyone in the area there and his personal choice as a coach pushing those guys to him? Cmon you are better than this close minded mentality.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 9:46 pm to BigEdLSU
Hol up hol up people!!! Wait one damn minute. Who has Crutch sent to Bama besides his stepson? Some of this stuff is borderline paranoia. I can guarantee that he is not steering kids to Bama! He does have a good relationship with Saban as well as Frank. Every coach should have good relationships with college coaches. Lets calm down a bit here and see what happens!
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:06 pm to 5Alive
I thought I was just being paranoid. I was not. This whole situation is as fricked up as I feared.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:17 pm to ProjectP2294
Although it's bad, DP brings the info! 
We can only hope that Fournette does indeed transfer, and that Crutchfield won't last past this year. Praying for an effup!
We can only hope that Fournette does indeed transfer, and that Crutchfield won't last past this year. Praying for an effup!
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:48 pm to ProjectP2294
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I thought I was just being paranoid. I was not. This whole situation is as fricked up as I feared.
No kidding. At least right now we are on a pure high. If this had been released in January... wow.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:53 pm to 5Alive
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Who has Crutch sent to Bama besides his stepson
That's kind of a big one to send though. If you think about it rationally if he and his stepson picked CNS over CLM once already, I do not see him telling his players any different with all things being equal.
Just a thought, not paranoid but trying to look at it from the only point of view that we see from the outside.
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Lets calm down a bit here and see what happens
What if what we are already seeing, we do not like already. He hasn't been the coach there for long and there has been more stories coming from St. Aug way than any other school in Louisiana.
OH and St. Aug has probably one of the best players that will come out of La. in a long time picking a college next year.
This post was edited on 4/4/12 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:58 pm to memphisplaya
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No kidding. At least right now we are on a pure high. If this had been released in January... wow.
I really was starting to agree with H-Town. I even posted as such earlier in this thread. I said it would take some crazy noise for me to start being worried.
Well, I now know my original line of thinking was correct.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:04 pm to BigEdLSU
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First, if you don't think a coach can influence kids and decisions, you are crazy.
Its becoming clear to me that trying to have a rational discussion about this with most of you is as difficult as discussing 9/11 with conspiracy nuts.
Sadly your paranoia blinds you to where you seem to think the only options are: The coach just dictates where the kid goes or b he has no influence at all. That's not how the world works. The coach has SOME influence. But so does the kids family, his friends, his neighborhood and even his own experience. They kids can be guided, but they are not mindless dolts. There is no way a coach will get them to go somewhere they don't want to go.
The other important point you idiots are ignoring is that its possible, just possible that a kid could actually want to go to Alabama all on his own. You guys are acting like there is no way someone would want to go there with out some coach "influencing" them.
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You may want to educate yourself to the games Texas coaches play with kids. Oh a top guy gets an official visit to a competing school? Cool with me, I'll just have mandatory practice or film time on the exact same date. Miss it, you don't play again.
Now I know you are a paranoid idiot. The Head coach at St Aug is going to permanently bench perhaps the best player in the history of the school because he skipped a film session to take a visit to the flag ship school in his OWN frickING STATE
Yeah, that will help him keep his job, oh wait, I forgot, he's not a professional and doesn't care about his own career, his only purpose is to serve his lord and master Nick Saban right?
As for Texas coaches doing that. Who are they? What schools? Where are these schools? Are you telling me Mack Brown is dictating to the HS to keep kids he wants from taking visits elsewhere? If so he's doing a shitty job. The HS coaches can't call mandatory film sessions 24/7. If they pulled crap like that after a kid scheduled a visit, the parents could raise holy hell. You are fricking delusional if you think the HS coaches answer to UT over their own schools and boosters. And no coach, no matter how much he loves what ever school is going to bench his best player if that kid misses a film session to visit OU. He'd get strung up by his fans.
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It must be sabans nuts in your mouth.
oh, yes, the old Sabans nuts deal, how original and it further shows you are a dolt.
This post was edited on 4/4/12 at 11:17 pm
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