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re: Handicapping Malachi Dupre
Posted on 1/16/14 at 6:54 pm to chrisksaint
Posted on 1/16/14 at 6:54 pm to chrisksaint
Honestly, I don't see him playing next year much if he commits to the Tigers for three reasons. 1) he is still a skinny kid and will have to beef up to get off jams and to play at the college level, 2) his school runs the veer offense (run oriented) so it will probably be a significant learning curve to Cam's offense, 3) the receiver position is hard to learn and not sure he can learn and contribute in year one. Probably not what a 5-star wants to hear. Hopefully he commits nonetheless. If he works at it, has the potential to be a good player.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 7:03 pm to mikecno
I see nothing but LSU recruits or current LSU players for who he's following. Maybe I take that too much into account but it's still a good sign since that he's befriended those guys instead of multiple FSU/UCLA players.
This post was edited on 1/16/14 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:41 pm to 2nd String
Let's not act like every college stadium is completely packed every Saturday.
Tallahassee itself does kinda suck, but there is no reason to really go more then a few miles off campus in any direction
Tallahassee itself does kinda suck, but there is no reason to really go more then a few miles off campus in any direction
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:55 pm to chrisksaint
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I ultimately think he ends up at LSU, but if he goes anywhere else it's FSU imo.
LSU and UCLA. Starting to hear he wanted UCLA, but realizing just how far that is.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 11:04 pm to MrWiseGuy
So my
quote from the other thread about the JC trio may be spot on?
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UCLA-1
TAMU-1
LSU-1
quote from the other thread about the JC trio may be spot on?
Posted on 1/17/14 at 1:53 am to RATeamWannabe
I actually believe that is how this will play out.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 3:03 am to dgnx6
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Lsu does not have better facilities than bama. You are fricking crazy if you think so. Bryant Denny is impressive and puts dv to shame. Tallahassee is baton rouge, but here's the kicker, it is in Florida.
Denny is a nice stadium but to say it put tiger stadium to shame you are just talking out or your arse....
besides tiger stadium , there is no away stadium I have been to more than BD ....
it's nice but it's not Death Valley ......
Posted on 1/17/14 at 7:26 am to tigerswin03
Lol at the tard who compared BDS to Jerry world.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 7:32 am to mikecno
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Honestly, I don't see him playing next year much if he commits to the Tigers for three reasons.
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Probably not what a 5-star wants to hear.
Tiger fan huh? fricking idiot
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:24 am to bubkes
For those thinking UCLA is Chi's choice, ask yourself one question... Who was UCLA's last wideout to be drafted and last in the league longer than 4 seasons? LSU is a more logical choice for Chi as it has the offensive system to feature him and put him into the league with a better college stat sheet.
Answer would probably be Matthew Slater, who plays 95% of his snaps on special teams for the Pats haha
Answer would probably be Matthew Slater, who plays 95% of his snaps on special teams for the Pats haha
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:27 am to mkibod1
I think most would say it's between Fl. State and LSU..
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:31 am to 2nd String
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Have you ever been to Tallahassee? The city is a total dump and they fill up the stadium maybe once a year.
sounds like us
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:45 am to mkibod1
quote:J.J.Stokes?
Who was UCLA's last wideout to be drafted and last in the league longer than 4 seasons?
Posted on 1/17/14 at 9:52 am to clamdip
Flipper Anderson...I'm older!
Posted on 1/17/14 at 4:18 pm to mkibod1
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For those thinking UCLA is Chi's choice, ask yourself one question... Who was UCLA's last wideout to be drafted and last in the league longer than 4 seasons? LSU is a more logical choice for Chi as it has the offensive system to feature him and put him into the league with a better college stat sheet.
Answer would probably be Matthew Slater, who plays 95% of his snaps on special teams for the Pats haha
Marcedes Lewis is probably the answer, but he's a tight end now who UCLA used as more of a split end in his time as a Bruin. But that was a different time when we were running the sputtering offenses of Karl Dorrell and Rick Neuheisel, and thus had little appeal to WR recruits. That's reflected in our output in producing NFL players at all positions, not just wide receiver.
LSU would be an excellent choice for Dupre as Cameron's system really showed off the talents of Beckham Jr. and Landry this past season. And I think Cameron's offense, especially with how much he saw it in person in 2013, is a big reason why he ultimately stays home and becomes a Tiger. But UCLA's current WR coach Eric Yarber is a decorated former NFL WR coach who is widely considered as one of the finest tutors of wide receivers in all levels of football, not just college.
So I don't think the development output of previous UCLA regimes that have absolutely no relation to the current one is the best barometer by which to measure which system and coaching staff is fit to get Dupre ready for the next level. I think any of his final four (LSU, Alabama, FSU, UCLA) has the capacity to get him ready for the league.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 4:34 pm to bruinmike
Your Mercedes Lewis argument is null and void because he is a tight end. Dupre is a wideout so lets stick to wideouts. Even then, with Brett Hundley at QB (which has been your best QB in the past decade)your leading receiver only had 700 yards on the year. We just produced 2 1000 yard receivers. I don't think UCLA would showcase a wideout the same way a Cam Cameron LSU offense would. If Dupre makes the logical pick, based on targets he will receive, LSU should be the destination.
ETA: The previous regimes still had the UCLA selling point to bring in big recruits and they never produced (m)any NFL wideouts. Even when LSU had its lackluster offense's, we still put a few guys in the league (LaFell, Doucet, and Randle).
ETA: The previous regimes still had the UCLA selling point to bring in big recruits and they never produced (m)any NFL wideouts. Even when LSU had its lackluster offense's, we still put a few guys in the league (LaFell, Doucet, and Randle).
This post was edited on 1/17/14 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 1/17/14 at 4:38 pm to mkibod1
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We just produced two 1150 yard receivers
This post was edited on 1/17/14 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 1/17/14 at 5:09 pm to mkibod1
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Your Mercedes Lewis argument is null and void because he is a tight end. Dupre is a wideout so lets stick to wideouts. Even then, with Brett Hundley at QB (which has been your best QB in the past decade)your leading receiver only had 700 yards on the year. We just produced 2 1000 yard receivers. I don't think UCLA would showcase a wideout the same way a Cam Cameron LSU offense would. If Dupre makes the logical pick, based on targets he will receive, LSU should be the destination.
Our offense lacked game-breakers, due largely to the failures of previous regimes to stock the cupboards with such players, so instead of relying on big name players for big plays, our offense was predicated on spreading the ball around. I think over 20 players had catches in games this year. Hell, four defensive linemen had catches in games this year.
The vast majority of our WRs are big, possession types with limited speed, so we had to tailor our offense around that. Any big plays were designed plays to go deep that came after lulling a defense to sleep with the short stuff. I'm not sure I can remember a single play in which a WR caught a five-yard pass and turned it into a 50-yard gain with pure speed or making people miss. Our YAC numbers were abysmal because our receivers are big guys with limited wiggle.
If we get the horses, we'll let them run. We just didn't have them this year, but we're trying to change that by going after guys like Dupre.
You're right though, LSU has the track record under Cameron that UCLA doesn't. No dispute there. I'm just trying to explain why our offense was the way it was.
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The previous regimes still had the UCLA selling point to bring in big recruits and they never produced (m)any NFL wideouts. Even when LSU had its lackluster offense's, we still put a few guys in the league (LaFell, Doucet, and Randle).
Think you're underestimating how bad UCLA's offenses were at that point, especially when you consider that UCLA's nadir coincided with the height of the Pete Carroll era at USC. Under Neuheisel, there were years when we didn't bring in even one wide receiver in the entire class. That's how much of a turn-off his system was to WRs. UCLA has only brought in two top 20 WR recruits since 2002 [link= https://ucla.scout.com/a.z?s=12&p=9&c=8&yr=2014[/link]. That's two top 20 kids, and not a single 5 star, in 12 years.
So when our system was so bad that we couldn't bring in even the raw talent to mold, then how could we produce NFL players? It just doesn't work that way. That's how bad things got at UCLA before Mora, and that's the stench he's still trying to fight off now in recruiting elite skill players.
All the guys you name checked were elite recruits, so they could have been drafted on raw talent regardless of how they did at LSU. UCLA didn't even have underperforming 5-stars at WR for a while. We've had underperforming 3-stars.
Posted on 1/17/14 at 5:46 pm to bruinmike
quote:umm...
All the guys you name checked were elite recruits, so they could have been drafted on raw talent regardless of how they did at LSU
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