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For 2 sport prospects, negotiating with Manieri to take INITIAL scholarship burden
Posted on 1/27/19 at 8:51 am
Posted on 1/27/19 at 8:51 am
For those 2 sport prospects -ie Maurice Hampton- who may also be a MLB high draft pick (June 3) and therefore a scholarship loss for a D-1 football program (not a loss for baseball) by the new NCAA standards, why can’t this player’s scholarship be allotted to baseball, which, unlike football, IS NOT PENALIZED for losing a signee? Losing signees to MLB happens yearly to programs like LSU Baseball and their only penalty is not having that player. Football can then assume the following years’ scholarship burden as they would have done anyway and baseball gets a great OF for free.
In this way, if the player does not go pro, baseball gets a great OF and assumes some scholarship burden (25-100% negotiated between coaches) and football gets a player without fear of scholarship loss. If Hampton does go pro, then baseball is out nothing, divides its 11.7 scholarships slightly differently and football goes unscathed with 25 full signees.
This arrangement simply negates the new NCAA penalty on football for having prospects sign, count toward a maximum total, which can’t be replaced the following year.
In this way, if the player does not go pro, baseball gets a great OF and assumes some scholarship burden (25-100% negotiated between coaches) and football gets a player without fear of scholarship loss. If Hampton does go pro, then baseball is out nothing, divides its 11.7 scholarships slightly differently and football goes unscathed with 25 full signees.
This arrangement simply negates the new NCAA penalty on football for having prospects sign, count toward a maximum total, which can’t be replaced the following year.
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Posted on 1/27/19 at 8:54 am to whoyodaddy
A player on a baseball scholarship cannot play football immediately.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:07 am to whoyodaddy
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For those 2 sport prospects -ie Maurice Hampton- who may also be a MLB high draft pick (June 3) and therefore a scholarship loss for a D-1 football program (not a loss for baseball) by the new NCAA standards, why can’t this player’s scholarship be allotted to baseball
Pretty simple. If you allow this, then you have schools like Bama with a football player on baseball scholarship, 4 football players on swimming scholarship, 3 football players on soccer scholarship, 2 football players on tennis scholarship and 2 players on volleyball scholarship.
Which poses more of a problem, what I listed above, or the scenario of possibly losing 1 scholarship (like it currently is)
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:08 am to lsusa
Good to know.
In this case, he’d likely redshirt football anyway.
In this case, he’d likely redshirt football anyway.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:12 am to whoyodaddy
Baseball, like all men’s sports other than football and basketball, do not have enough scholarships to give anyone a full scholarship. Keep in mind someone like Alex Bergman never has a “full” scholarship.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:15 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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If you allow this, then you have schools like Bama with a football player on baseball scholarship,
Dual sport athletes are not outlawed by the NCAA; it absolutely is allowed. At LSU, Jared Mitchell was the last I recall. Scholarship athletes are not prevented from playing multiple sports.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:19 am to LSU Bayou Jim
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Baseball, like all men’s sports other than football and basketball, do not have enough scholarships to give anyone a full scholarship. Keep in mind someone like Alex Bergman never has a “full” scholarship.
Understood, but there are some who do receive 100%. But in this case, look at it as an investment for baseball. 100% scholarship for the first year, nothing from that point forward as football steps in to grant the next few years.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:23 am to whoyodaddy
As pointed out, there is a hierarchy that determines which sport gets the hit for 2 sport athletes. Football is at the top, followed by basketball and baseball. That said there is a difference between being on scholarship and being promised a scholarship. I cannot find any reason why baseball couldn't promise a scholarship (nli or other promise) and not count against football as long as the player doesn't show up and claim the scholarship.
What this means for a guy like Hampton is that he would sign a nli with baseball and not show up until fall camp in Aug. At that point he would immediately count against football.
This is not some scheme to get around the signing numbers. It is a way to work around what I think was an oversight of the new signing rules. The purpose of the rules was to discourage the signing of academically unqualified athletes, not to discourage qualified 2 sport athletes simply because of the timing of the baseball draft.
What this means for a guy like Hampton is that he would sign a nli with baseball and not show up until fall camp in Aug. At that point he would immediately count against football.
This is not some scheme to get around the signing numbers. It is a way to work around what I think was an oversight of the new signing rules. The purpose of the rules was to discourage the signing of academically unqualified athletes, not to discourage qualified 2 sport athletes simply because of the timing of the baseball draft.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:23 am to whoyodaddy
He's saying you cant hide a football player on a baseball scholarship
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:32 am to whoyodaddy
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why can’t this player’s scholarship be allotted to baseball, which, unlike football, IS NOT PENALIZED for losing a signee?
Cuz athletes not on a football scholarship cant play football. Football scholarship players can play other sports but not vice versa... thanks Alabama and Bear Bryant.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:33 am to whoyodaddy
You can thank Bear Bryant and the gumps’ unethical recruiting bullshite for this not being a possibility
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:34 am to Indiana Tiger
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I cannot find any reason why baseball couldn't promise a scholarship (nli or other promise) and not count against football as long as the player doesn't show up and claim the scholarship.
Appreciate the response. In the case above, nothing transpires until the player arrives, and then a determination is made?? Are you saying that once that dual sport athlete arrives, the scholarship burden always falls on football?
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:40 am to GetmorewithLes
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Cuz athletes not on a football scholarship cant play football. Football scholarship players can play other sports but not vice versa... thanks Alabama and Bear Bryant.
Ok. I didn’t realize that. Sadly, a kid like QB from Hattiesburg, who is a better baseball player than football will be prevented from football unless he is offered a “football” scholarship?
Posted on 1/27/19 at 9:57 am to GetmorewithLes
Another way to say is that any athlete can play two sports but if one of them is football he automatically counts against football scholarships. LSU has had many play two sports but they all counted against football. Devery Henderson & Trindon Holiday ran track, Chad Jones & Jared Mitchell played baseball are examples.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 10:01 am to whoyodaddy
We’ve been over this topic numerous times. Hampton isn’t signing a baseball scholarship and playing football...
Posted on 1/27/19 at 10:11 am to whoyodaddy
Didn’t Miami used to give their football players track scholarships when they were in probation?
Posted on 1/27/19 at 10:25 am to whoyodaddy
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In the case above, nothing transpires until the player arrives, and then a determination is made??
We're dealing with multi-sport athletes here, so pretty much this is the case. The new signing rules created a new category of things to keep track. The old rules, and they are still in place, use counters. Counters are simply athletes on scholarship. You can't be a counter until you are actually on scholarship. Meaning you are present and engaged in school and/or team activities. So the status of a 2 sport athlete can't be formalized until then.
If Hampton were to go pro and not show up and he signed a football NLI, we would lose that signing spot (i.e., we couldn't sign a late transfer to replace his spot). But we wouldn't lose a counter and his spot on the 85 man roster could be given to a multi-year walkon.
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Are you saying that once that dual sport athlete arrives, the scholarship burden always falls on football?
If one of the sports is football, then yes. If it were basketball and anything else other than football, it would count against basketball and so on.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 10:52 am to whoyodaddy
If Bergman didn’t get a full ride......well you can figure that out I would hope...
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:00 am to LSU Bayou Jim
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If Bergman didn’t get a full ride.
Whi is this Bergman?
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:28 am to whoyodaddy
The baseball team has 11.9 scholarships and are REQUIRED to give a certain percentage to each of the 35 players. Do the math. Nobody gets 100% without TOPS or some other scholarship.
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