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re: Espn released a story on Gerald Willis
Posted on 6/28/12 at 8:11 am to higgins
Posted on 6/28/12 at 8:11 am to higgins
So you think instead of showing patience, we should blacklist any and every kid from Louisiana who visits Alabama? Let's just recruit the OOS kids that Bama wants too?
If you are a great HS player, you will be recruited by the elite programs. Deal with it.
I've never taken the time to really put my thoughts into a long post, but I have a theory I am convinced is true. The short version is that the droves of fans in Louisiana that idolize Saban to this day are the single largest reason for the Alabama recruiting success in our state. The communities these kids live in, much like the rant, love to idolize Saban. They also love to talk about miles eating grass. Show the school you claim to love a little more respect in the communities and maybe, just maybe some of these kids would respect that LSU offer a little more. It's a cycle that takes at least 10 years to play out.
If you are a great HS player, you will be recruited by the elite programs. Deal with it.
I've never taken the time to really put my thoughts into a long post, but I have a theory I am convinced is true. The short version is that the droves of fans in Louisiana that idolize Saban to this day are the single largest reason for the Alabama recruiting success in our state. The communities these kids live in, much like the rant, love to idolize Saban. They also love to talk about miles eating grass. Show the school you claim to love a little more respect in the communities and maybe, just maybe some of these kids would respect that LSU offer a little more. It's a cycle that takes at least 10 years to play out.
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Posted on 6/28/12 at 1:07 pm to BigEdLSU
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instead of showing patience, we should blacklist any and every kid from Louisiana who visits Alabama?
After losing out on Perilloux, Darrell Scott and some other recruits, Mack Brown kind of shut down OOS recruiting and some in state guys that weren't Texas leans. This is part of the reason for their drop off.
For a short period, they had an especially hard time recruiting running backs. Before they signed Malcolm Brown in the 2011 class, they missed out on 5 star Mike Goodson (2007), 4 star Emmanuel Moody (2007), 5 star Justin Johnson (2008), 5 star Jermie Calhoun (2008), 4 star Cyrus Gray (2008), 5 star Christine Michael (2009), 5 star Lache Seastrunk (2010) mainly because they knew these kids weren't "All Texas".
After the 5-7 season they had in 2010, Mac went and hired some good recruiters and started back recruiting the in-state kids that weren't all Texas and a lot more OOS kids.
Not recruiting kids that aren't "All LSU" isn't an option for Les.
Other good programs are going to cherry pick Louisiana just like they do Florida, Georgia, Texas & California. Some kids will choose to go OOS. As LSU fans, we've been fortunate to see the majority of our kids stay in-state. When compared to other talent-rich states, the majority are still staying in-state.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 1:09 pm to chinese58
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After losing out on Perilloux, Darrell Scott and some other recruits, Mack Brown kind of shut down OOS recruiting and some in state guys that weren't Texas leans. This is part of the reason for their drop off.
No it's not.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 1:25 pm to Tiger Authority
If it's not, then at the least, there were quite a few guys they let get away during that time.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:06 pm to Tiger Authority
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After losing out on Perilloux, Darrell Scott and some other recruits, Mack Brown kind of shut down OOS recruiting and some in state guys that weren't Texas leans. This is part of the reason for their drop off.
No it's not.
So what is the reason for it?
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:22 pm to chinese58
For Texas' demise? Not Mack Brown missing out on a middling RB prospect from Cali and a problem/head case from LA. I don't know what their reason is but it certainly isn't Mack focusing instate for the better part of his tenure. He basically locks down TX and should be able to win with that talent. He has until the last two years. This practice started long before that.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:38 pm to Tiger Authority
As I said before, he has let some guys get away.
Darron Thomas
LaMichael James
Knile Davis
Robert Griffin.
That is in one recruiting class alone (2008). They have been very lazy with their recruiting/evaluations since their last NC.
Darron Thomas
LaMichael James
Knile Davis
Robert Griffin.
That is in one recruiting class alone (2008). They have been very lazy with their recruiting/evaluations since their last NC.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:41 pm to c on z
You're listing guys that they never recruited. Neither did LSU for some of them or many other schools in the area. There is a reason why Baylor got Griffin and it had a lot to do with a lot of schools missing on him. Thomas wouldn't work anywhere but Oregon. Same with James.
Thomas was a WR when he was committed to us.
Programs miss on players all the time. Especially when you have the number of prospects Texas does. I don't like taking up for Mack Brown or Texas so let me stop discussing this.
Thomas was a WR when he was committed to us.
Programs miss on players all the time. Especially when you have the number of prospects Texas does. I don't like taking up for Mack Brown or Texas so let me stop discussing this.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:48 pm to chinese58
Losing RP and getting McCoy wasn't the problem for damn sure
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:55 pm to Tiger Authority
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I don't know what their reason is but it certainly isn't Mack focusing instate
Not what was said.
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After losing out on Perilloux, Darrell Scott and some other recruits, Mack Brown kind of shut down OOS recruiting and some in state guys that weren't Texas leans.
Maybe you don't keep up with Texas recruiting well enough to know Mac did exactly what was said. He shut down recruiting guys in-state that weren't "all Texas" and he shut down OOS recruiting by a wide margin.
He did open it back up which we saw first hand with the last minute switch of Toshiro Davis last year. We are also seeing Texas recruit many more OOS kids and staying with in-state kids like Prevot this year. From 2006-2010 Mack would not have bothered with Davis or Prevot.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:56 pm to tigerfoot
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Losing RP and getting McCoy wasn't the problem for damn sure
So true
Wasn't there some rumblings about LSU pulling McCoy if RP had stuck with Texas? Talk about altering the landscape of CFB. Posted on 6/28/12 at 3:03 pm to Tiger Authority
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You're listing guys that they never recruited
This is what I am talking about. Texas didn't even recruit the Texas kids if they knew they'd have to fight for them. Mack was like a lot of LSU fans seem to be now. He just didn't have the stomach to go through losing recruiting battles.
The Texas fans said every one of the kids he didn't recruit had their hand out. They still feel that way about all of the kids we got from Texas.
Now they are in on all of the good players in their own state and they are cherry picking other states for top recruits. They are hard on several of the 2014 Louisiana guys right now.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 3:05 pm to chinese58
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Maybe you don't keep up with Texas recruiting well enough to know Mac did exactly what was said. He shut down recruiting guys in-state that weren't "all Texas" and he shut down OOS recruiting by a wide margin.
Yeah I keep up and it's been well established that he didn't go OOS. But he never really did in the first place so whether the policy was unspoken or spoken after the RP deal is inconsequential. They've signed kids OOS other than Davis after the RP incident. Not many but they certainly have.
In 2004 and 2003 before the RP stuff they didn't sign a single player outside TX.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 3:08 pm to chinese58
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This is what I am talking about. Texas didn't even recruit the Texas kids if they knew they'd have to fight for them. Mack was like a lot of LSU fans seem to be now. He just didn't have the stomach to go through losing recruiting battles.
No, they just didn't think they were Texas caliber players. People miss all the time. James was great in a system, as was Thomas at quarterback. Griffin was a miss by everyone.
He does, at times, wash his hands of OOS battles. But he doesn't for instate guys for the most part. Sometimes that's just OB posters saving face. They battled us for Christian Scott for instance.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 3:15 pm to Tiger Authority
They did slack off on recruiting OOS and more importantly, they quit recruiting in-state kids that they knew they'd have to fight for.
This is what they changed-recruiting kids they had to fight for. Sorry you assumed OOS recruiting was all I meant.
This is what they changed-recruiting kids they had to fight for. Sorry you assumed OOS recruiting was all I meant.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 3:18 pm to Tiger Authority
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No, they just didn't think they were Texas caliber players.
I'll agree to disagree.
My point in posting the Mack Brown stuff was that LSU hast to recruit kids even if they think the kid favors another school.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/28/12 at 3:44 pm to chinese58
Thanks Chinese I thought I put the link on the thread about GW but I'm glad that u caught it. Thanks Chinese.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 5:32 pm to 504 SOULJA
I've heard from a guy that was at the Florida camp that Brumfield shutdown Willis in 1-on-1's. The ironic thing is that they could end up being teammates at UF is LSU doesn't get there shite together and keep these kids home!
Posted on 6/28/12 at 6:01 pm to BRFootball Fan
:awwwwlawd:
Posted on 6/28/12 at 7:17 pm to BRFootball Fan
I don't doubt u or your sources, but It's hard to believe because Brumfield is not on the same Level as GW, but that's my opinion but hopefully they both have a chance to play together here at Tiger Land tell Brumfield stay working hard and good things sure will come
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