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Eddie Ludwig Evaluation (Long)

Posted on 11/27/08 at 10:11 pm
Posted by firejohnbrady
Chocolate City
Member since Dec 2007
861 posts
Posted on 11/27/08 at 10:11 pm
First off let me say I am a huge Trent Johnson fan. I have met him on a couple of occasions and I think he is just the coach we need. Very disciplined coach and I have talked to him about how important it is for LSU to lock down the state, and keep the best players in Louisiana at LSU. With that being said I am very disappointed in him for offering Eddie Ludwig.

Ludwig is about 6'6-6'7. He is a little lean right now but has a frame where he could easily put on another 10-15 pounds of muscle. Country Day runs a motion offense so while he is in the post a lot he rotates in and out. On the positive note he has a pretty good stroke. Nothing that will blow you away but has a nice arc on his shot and has a very soft touch. Pretty good dribbling the ball with both hands. Also has pretty good vision where he would get doubled in the post and find the open cutter going to the basket. Now on to the negatives.

Unfortunately there are quite a few. And I am evaluating him on his ability to be a SEC basketball player, not a high school player. He is a very good high school player but I have no clue how he will ever be a contributer in the SEC.

First off the kid is not very athletic. No explosiveness off the dribble, and for his size he does not have very good hops. Put it this way I saw him play against St. Pauls, who does not have a player over 6ft and he was constantly getting out jumped on rebounds. St. Pauls is a bad team this year and he should have dominated the game. He was surprisingly very soft and kept getting pushed out of the lane by kids he was way bigger then.

One thing I feel that Trent Johnson teams will bring is intensity and hard work. I saw neither of these traits in Ludwig. I will give him the benefit of the doubt because from the beginning there was really no way St. Pauls would win the game. Its one thing to kind of take a game off, but it is another thing when 5'10 guys are getting rebounds from you multiple times.

Now as far as what position he plays at LSU I have no idea. There is no way he can be a 2. Way too slow. He will get killed off the dribble his entire career and not a good enough shooter or athletic enough. Not tall or tough/strong enough to be a 4. I guess he will have to play a 3 but at the same time he is not a great athlete. One thing that distinguishes players in the SEC compared to players at Tulane in many cases is just pure athleticism. I hate to say it but he just doesn't have it.

I'm sure he is a great kid but he should be the 7th or 8th man at Tulane, not at LSU. I really hope I am wrong but I highly doubt it on this one. He did leave the game with a sprained ankle mid way through the 3rd but by that point you could see if he had "it" or not. I guess the best way I can describe him is a very poor man's Alex Farrar.
Posted by MSG
B.R.
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/27/08 at 10:13 pm to
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Posted by firejohnbrady
Chocolate City
Member since Dec 2007
861 posts
Posted on 11/27/08 at 10:15 pm to
On a side note the kid LSU should and I think they are looking at, is the junior Derenbecker. He is a very good player and much more potential then Ludwig. Probably a better player right now.

He is about a 6'5 lefty. Very pretty shot and handles the ball extremely well. He also has good court vision and made a couple of really nice passes. He is the leader on that team and played the whole game, and never stopped hustling or playing hard. I am sure his game will continue to improve and hopefully he will be in purple and gold in a couple of years. Also way more athletic than Ludwig.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
29114 posts
Posted on 11/27/08 at 10:19 pm to
Well, it's pretty safe to say the state sucks huge nuts this year talent-wise.
Posted by firejohnbrady
Chocolate City
Member since Dec 2007
861 posts
Posted on 11/27/08 at 10:21 pm to
quote:

Well, it's pretty safe to say the state sucks huge nuts this year talent-wise.


Yes I completely agree. I guess Trent is trying to make inroads recruiting in the state because that is the only way he should ever offer Ludwig. I honestly don't think he would ever even start at Tulane.
Posted by EyeOfDaTiga1
Member since Aug 2006
559 posts
Posted on 11/27/08 at 10:29 pm to
firejohnbrady

Just a heads up. We have a kid down here in Thibodaux by the name of Shavon "Sugar" Coleman. 6'4 swingman. He's averaging 28pts and 14rebs per game right now and has us at 5-1 after six games. We are missing 4 starters(all still in football) and 4 of our best 6 kids off the bench. He's every bit as good if not better than 2 former Thibodaux alumni Damien Johnson (Minnesota) and Brandon Cooks (Souther Miss).

You seem to have put together a good evaulatuion on Ludwig. While Sugar is only a junior; alot of people who have seen him this summer have all said they think him and Galloway are the two best jrs in the state. Come check us out if you get a chance. Especially when we get our football kids back. We'll be pretty fun to watch with kids like Sugar and Trovon Reed.
Posted by firejohnbrady
Chocolate City
Member since Dec 2007
861 posts
Posted on 11/27/08 at 10:38 pm to
EyeOfDaTiga1

Yea I definitely will. Next year should be a good year for LA basketball.

By the way I follow your posts on Tigerbait. Talked to a SPS football coach last night about Trovon and he said he absolutely took over the game and pretty much beat them single handily last week. Hopefully we can keep him in purple and gold ;)
Posted by flucobaseball
VA
Member since Apr 2004
6252 posts
Posted on 11/27/08 at 10:54 pm to
Rivals has him listed at 6'8. Is that definitely wrong?
Posted by firejohnbrady
Chocolate City
Member since Dec 2007
861 posts
Posted on 11/27/08 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

Rivals has him listed at 6'8. Is that definitely wrong?


He is about 6'6-6'7. Good size for a 3. No way in hell he could be a 4. Not big enough and way to soft. Not a very good rebounder but that can be taught. He gets rebounds because of his height not because he blocks people out. It was sad to see when 5'10 kids would out jump and tip balls away from him or out hustle him for rebounds.
Posted by philter
Member since Dec 2004
8966 posts
Posted on 11/27/08 at 11:13 pm to
We'll see how it plays out, but for every one who says they saw him play a bad game here and there there are people who saw him play good games. Like when he went head to head with Kortney Roberson (T A&M commit and a good player) and put up over 30 points and 10 rebounds and a few blocks/steals.

He was offered by Davidson, which may not mean a lot to some but you have to look at how well they have evaluated talent in recent years. He is also a teammate of Derenbecker now so that is also a positive.
Posted by crTiger
CostaRica
Member since Sep 2007
43 posts
Posted on 11/28/08 at 12:21 am to

Your evaluation may or may not be correct. Only time will tell. However, have you considered what his signing,4 years of contributing, and loving LSU for the rest of his life could bring. Do you get what i'm saying?
Posted by LSU Delts
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
2548 posts
Posted on 11/28/08 at 5:01 am to
Sometimes players get lazy when they are not forced to play hard.
Posted by firejohnbrady
Chocolate City
Member since Dec 2007
861 posts
Posted on 11/28/08 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

However, have you considered what his signing,4 years of contributing, and loving LSU for the rest of his life could bring. Do you get what i'm saying?


So we should sign kids who aren't that talented so they can have a great experience at LSU? He will never be a solid contributer that is what I am trying to say.

quote:

Sometimes players get lazy when they are not forced to play hard.


This is very true. There are many players who play up or down to the competition. At the same time this kid would be a good player at Loyola not LSU. If he ever sees solid time at LSU we are in trouble.
Posted by HSHoopscoach
kenner
Member since Jan 2007
702 posts
Posted on 11/29/08 at 12:21 am to

I don't think it give us any particular 'in roads' in regards to recruiting. And there are many truths to that scouting report.
But I like the pick-up.
1. We will have a senior
2. Has an immensly high basketball IQ as opposed
to the players from the Brady realm.
(see: Tack Minor)
3. You want to have players with high hoop IQ's
to work with the one's that don't. And
the one's that already have this
(Ross Nelter) will not get ticked and
transfer cause they're sick of playing
stupid basketball
Posted by flucobaseball
VA
Member since Apr 2004
6252 posts
Posted on 11/29/08 at 12:44 am to
If he has good bball IQ, then I want him. That is something we lack here.

Also, I read where he had like a 6 game stretch where he averaged 34 pts last year. He can clearly put up some points. We need shooters with good IQs and I think that's what we'll have in Eddie. We also need the athletes, but it's not a loss to add Eddie to the team IMO.
Posted by Kevin4848
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
201 posts
Posted on 11/29/08 at 10:49 am to
quote:

Just a heads up. We have a kid down here in Thibodaux by the name of Shavon "Sugar" Coleman. 6'4 swingman. He's averaging 28pts and 14rebs per game right now and has us at 5-1 after six games. We are missing 4 starters(all still in football) and 4 of our best 6 kids off the bench. He's every bit as good if not better than 2 former Thibodaux alumni Damien Johnson (Minnesota) and Brandon Cooks (Souther Miss).


quote:

Cooks


This post was edited on 11/29/08 at 10:50 am
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155354 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 4:38 pm to
i dont think we got him to be the next tasmin mitchell...you need role players, and yes, sometimes it takes a scholarship to get a role player.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 4:57 pm to
It's not difficult to imagine a guy that is a senior in high school growing more in college. Both Temples grew.
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8790 posts
Posted on 12/12/08 at 8:21 am to
I don't think its a bad pickup at all and I'll list the reasons.

1) From the sounds of your evaluation he won't play as a frosh. Thats not bad, maybe he'll be a valuable contributor as an upper classman

2) If he has a high basketball IQ he will be good mentoring those who don't as well as in running the scout team. Don't underestimate this.. case in point- UAB game in the NCAAs a few years back.

3) If this kid is smart then he will help boost up our Graduation/APRs which have been atrocious under Brady and hurt further in recent years with the NBA early entries.
Posted by b rod lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
4880 posts
Posted on 12/12/08 at 8:34 am to

He won't be an all-conference type player, but it's a good signing because you came in behind the 8 ball on recruiting and still managed to get a high character guy who has connections from high school and AAU with Derenbecker, Galloway and Williams.

You need these 4/5 year guys mixed in with your superstars, it builds consistency with your program.

Also, I agree on the Derenbecker report. The guy's got a great shot both mid-range and long-range. He'll be a nice scorer on the next level.
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