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Posted on 12/28/18 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by Babble
Member since Jan 2018
886 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 12:39 pm to
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Its the old chicken egg which came first scenario. Who needs who more?


You lost me
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
10737 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 12:51 pm to
I agree. These kids are still developing and they don't need to learn to cope with life by using that crap to dull their senses
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44860 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 1:28 pm to
Lots of players have failed at least one test. If someone is suspended for weed, they have failed multiple tests and it might be more than weed...

This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 1:55 pm to
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Not saying i agree or disagree with suspensions but if joe blow has to pass a drug test to get, and keep, a job then these kids should be tested and punished likewise. They are receiving hundreds of thousands worth of school and perks free of charge. Pass a fricking piss test.



So do you drug test academic scholorship individuals too?

It’s not even close to the same thing as a job requiring a drug test and this is not a “job” for these athletes. Does your job tell you what you can and can’t spend your earnings on? Would you work for a company that said you have to spend back 95% of your paycheck with that company?
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 1:57 pm to
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I’d imagine that a lot of parents would appreciate the fact that their kids wwould be disciplined for failing drug test. One of O’s recruiting pitches to parents is he’s going to watch over their kids like they are his own. Some parents might not care if their kid smokes weed but a lot do. Regardless of your feelings towards marijuana it is still illegal in Louisiana and getting caught with it can land you in jail. It’s also still banned in the NFL, which is where all these kids want to end up.



I doubt most parents today care that much if their (now adult) child is smoking pot.

Unless you get caught with a pretty substantial amount of marijuana, you can’t serve jail time. It’s a misdemeanor unless there is intent to sell.
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 1:58 pm to
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I agree. These kids are still developing and they don't need to learn to cope with life by using that crap to dull their senses



But we don’t have a problem with 18 year olds using tobacco or 21 year olds using alcohol....
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5585 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 1:59 pm to
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I agree. These kids are still developing and they don't need to learn to cope with life by using that crap to dull their senses




A dead give away that you don't get out much. These kids don't smoke to "cope with the horrors of life". They do it because getting fricked up is fun and its been going on for thousands of years... And when given the choice of having a hangover and probably showing your arse the night before, and getting fricked up and not having either of those consequences guess what, they choose the latter...
Posted by lawtill
San Antonio
Member since Oct 2018
122 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 2:06 pm to
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DBG


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dumb
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 3:07 pm to
So it can still go on your record and potentially land you in jail....

I’m sure most, if not all parents would care if their son’s unwillingness to lay off pot affects their chances of their future career in the sport. College is suppose to prepare you for the next level, again, the next level sees marijuana as a banned substance, even in states that deem it legal.

Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22111 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 3:12 pm to
LSU changed its policies on drug testing in recent times to mirror our rivals. It is not however something they would want to post and advertise to the public
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2828 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 3:40 pm to
The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence either.
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
10737 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 5:24 pm to
Not if the want to be a part of the greatest organization in college football.

Sorry you can't cope with life without numbing yourself to it
Posted by ORTIGER
Oregon
Member since Dec 2014
972 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 5:35 pm to
marijuana use went up when society made it so difficult to get. Ask a high schooler what is easier to get, a bag of weed or a 24 pack of beer. Most will say marijuana is easier to get it. Not saying that is good or bad just a reality of the shift in usage and the biggest reason for it.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
18916 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 6:23 pm to
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I’d imagine that a lot of parents would appreciate the fact that their kids wwould be disciplined for failing drug test. One of O’s recruiting pitches to parents is he’s going to watch over their kids like they are his own. Some parents might not care if their kid smokes weed but a lot do.
the recruiting aspect of it does cut both ways.

The 'methodical' thing to do would be survey recruits and find out the % of which their parent's veto and/or reservations affected their final decision. I'm talking in general, not just about weed testing and punishments.

If the numbers say the parent effect is much diminished as compared to 5, 10, 20 years ago (as I suspect), then adjust accordingly.
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Alabama isn’t doing anything wrong. The ncaa allows schools to handle recreational drug testing so Alabama, a smart program, chooses not to give a damn about weed.

LSU, a dumb program, chooses to suspend players like it’s going out of style
And that is it in a nutshell. Weed is on the schedule where the NCAA (parapharasing) says if you have a drug policy, you must adhere to that policy.

Says nothing about what that policy must say or even that you must have one. Ole Miss went years without one. They are not alone.

On that note... at some point in the process Compliance reviews that policy. Based on Fulton's whole ordeal, seems our Compliance are anything but great communicators.

What you find is that the more lax the policy, the earlier in the process and the more communicative they are about it. The stricter, it gets held back till later in the recruiting process and the seem to only give a framework and generalities.

That's because the teams with the lax policies are indeed using it as a recruiting tool, just not 'in your face'; much more subtle than a 'pitch'. So if the knife does cut both ways, but natural selection has turned it into what I described above... then I'll venture to say that the stricter policies appealing to parents doesn't work. It's a dull edge.

Then one must ask the question: Are the parents to whom that is designed to appeal to, regardless of the influence of the parents, even care or are smokers themselves?
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6687 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 6:57 pm to
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but there are some things that just seem obvious, even if it can't be concretely proven.

LSU players get suspended and kicked off the team for smoking weed, but Alabama players get caught with drugs and guns in their car, and almost nothing happens to them.

It doesn't seem that certain schools take the same initiative to enforce rules on their players as LSU does.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 6:58 pm
Posted by cheeser
downtown Fishville
Member since Feb 2007
2541 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 2:02 pm to
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Yea, not likely Even still, Hootie Jones and Cam Robinson were arrested with marijuana and didn’t miss a snap

I wonder if they got their weapons back .
Posted by cheeser
downtown Fishville
Member since Feb 2007
2541 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 2:09 pm to
FYI, I was told honey badger failed piss tests 6 times & on the 7th failure was finally penalized. I was told this by someone around the team at that time. Hell , he could have been his man , come to think of it.
Posted by Tiger2424
Member since Nov 2015
1203 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 5:51 pm to
That’s incorrect. When it comes to drug testing, schools have to test “randomly” although the players who are on drugs, their names are never drawn randomly “out of the hat” cause their name isn’t in the hat. They test others who are not on drugs.
Posted by Cincinnati Bowtie
Sparta
Member since May 2008
11951 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 9:08 pm to
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lawtill


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Douche
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31732 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 9:22 pm to
And went from a stick figure to swole in one year drinking Alabama’s protein shakes. They encourage pot smoking to help chill out their players’ ‘roid rage.
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