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re: Cole Smith is a beast!!! UA game
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:42 pm to tandrews37
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:42 pm to tandrews37
It's needed attrition from a mediocre class. Like someone else said, this is a really weird hill for you to plant your flag on.
Is it disappointing that some of these "underrated" guys didn't pan out? Yeah. But it wasn't completely unexpected. I still think if we didn't have such a roster crunch and some of those guys would have been able to stick around, they'd end up being solid contributors. But, I guess we'll just have to see what they did at their next stops.
Of course, if any of these guys do flourish elsewhere, I'm sure there will be plenty of people on here blaming O for "running" them off", right?
Is it disappointing that some of these "underrated" guys didn't pan out? Yeah. But it wasn't completely unexpected. I still think if we didn't have such a roster crunch and some of those guys would have been able to stick around, they'd end up being solid contributors. But, I guess we'll just have to see what they did at their next stops.
Of course, if any of these guys do flourish elsewhere, I'm sure there will be plenty of people on here blaming O for "running" them off", right?
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:43 pm to tandrews37
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LSU did not sign 25 players in 2018 moron. Know what the "F" you are talking about before opening your mouth and alerting everyone to the fact that you are indeed an idiot.
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Yeah, they did buddy. Tracy, Burrow, and Alexander all accepted a scholarship, one of 25 given out for the 2018 class. You should probably know what the frick you are talking about and alerting everyone to the fact you are indeed an idiot.
You are literally too stupid to insult.
From 24/7:
LSU 2018 Football Commits (22)
Enrollees (22)
But, if you want to count them that would mean LSU's class was better than 15th and your dumb arse is crying over a recruiting class that has a MUCH BETTER retainage percentage than the previously stated 73%.
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That’s 6 players that left after one year. What happens when more inevitably leave this year?
If they lose six more players the class will still have more players on the team than 2014-2016 percentage wise - 55% versus 44% for 2014-2016. Cry about that for a while.
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I’ll tell you what happens. You don’t get to use your buddy Shea’s tweet anymore because suddenly those awful attrition numbers apply to this class as well.
You are pretty dumb. I'm not even laughing at you as much anymore. I'm really starting to feel sorry for you.
Hey Bagdad Bob,
Tell me more about all the starts DJ Chark and Lloyd Cushenberry had in their second seasons on the LSU team. And how you think LSU signed 25 recruits in the 2018 class.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:59 pm to Tiger Ree
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But I’m still going to grind an axe against the staff here. I think Orgeron believed he could get Tracy in without impacting the total signing class numbers of 2018. Only after signing Tracy did we find out he would count against the total numbers. It forced LSU to get stingy and confused with their remaining spots for the 2018 class and ultimately, probably cost them Mario Goodrich, simply because they couldn’t guarantee him a spot he wanted. Goodrich became a back-up plan to Surtain and LSU wound up with neither.
Still want to tell me how they don’t count?
Let’s try another approach.
19 freshmen
3 grad transfers (Tracy Alexander Burrow)
3 JUCO kids (Traore, Moore, Lewis)
6 of those freshmen are gone. They will never play another down for LSU. That’s 6/19, nearly 1/3 of the class gone after 1 year. 2 of the 3 grad transfers are gone. Tracy was amazing and credit to Greg McMahon for getting him. Alexander was a bust and him and Giles are largely responsible for the loss to A&M. So one worked out and one didn’t.
Heading into this year:
Cherry - 3rd string OLB
Moore - 4th string OLB
Jones - 3rd string WR (still a DB possibility?)
Curry - 3rd string RB
Jenkins - 4th string WR
Jenkins - 3rd string DL
None of those guys are set to contribute in any meaningful way except maybe Curry. And I’m not sure how much Rosenthal and Wire see the field once Bradford locks up one of the OT spots.
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Tell me more about all the starts DJ Chark and Lloyd Cushenberry had in their second seasons on the LSU team.
Tell me more about all the contributions of Jonathan Giles and Thaddeus Moss.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:02 pm to whitefoot
Usually attrition from mediocre classes happens after 2-3 years, not 8-12 months.
This isn’t a difficult topic.
Normally, a coach would force out guys like Donovaughn Campbell or Lanard Fournette or Cameron Lewis. But instead the guys who just enrolled last summer are the ones packing their bags to go somewhere else.
This isn’t a difficult topic.
Normally, a coach would force out guys like Donovaughn Campbell or Lanard Fournette or Cameron Lewis. But instead the guys who just enrolled last summer are the ones packing their bags to go somewhere else.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:21 pm to tandrews37
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Usually attrition from mediocre classes happens after 2-3 years, not 8-12 months
Oh really Bagdad Bob? Is this in the coaches handbook somewhere?
Why would a Cole Smith wait 2-3 years to transfer. Lloyd Cushenberry is a junior who will probably be here two more years. Charles Turner was an early enrollee.
So if Turner passed up Cole on the depth chart what page of the coaches handbook should Eaux show to Smith to get him to stay?
It is the same for every player who put their name in the portal. If they know they aren't going to play, maybe the coaches know they aren't going to play, then why the hell should they hang around for 3 years, Bagdad?
Not all of them will START in their 2nd year on campus like DJ Chark and Lloyd. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:23 pm to tandrews37
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This isn’t a difficult topic.
It's really not. Don't know why you're making it out to be more difficult than it is. Usually, teams don't need to create 11 roster spots to fit their entire signing class.
You named three guys who could actually contribute this year. Lanard is probably going to start the year seeing a lot of time. Campbell can provide depth on both lines and Lewis is at a minimum a starter on special teams, and will provide depth at a thin safety position.
Why process guys who could actually contribute this year over guys who likely still need another couple of years to develop?
I just really don't understand all of your consternation over the staff churning the bottom of the roster. I guess you'd rather keep those guys so they could develop into future Campbells, Lewises and Lanards? Why is it a bad thing to cut bait early and turn over the bottom of the depth chart when the roster situation warrants it?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:26 pm to Tiger Ree
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Why would a Cole Smith wait 2-3 years to transfer. Lloyd Cushenberry is a junior who will probably be here two more years. Charles Turner was an early enrollee.
Man, for someone who was so high on Cole Smith, you sure have no qualms talking bad about him now.
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Posted by Tiger Ree online on 8/12/18 at 9:55 am to Lethrill quote: Guy was underrated coming out of HS. No doubt: From LSU website: "Played on both sides of the ball at offensive tackle and defensive end during his time at Pontotoc High School in Mississippi … A three-star prospect according to 247Sports … Did not allow a sack between his junior and senior seasons … During his senior season, totaled 62 pancakes and led Panotoc High School to an 11-2 record and the 2-4A regional title … Showed off his versatility by playing tackle, guard and center while in high school … His dad Brent Smith was an All-SEC offensive lineman at Mississippi State and was picked in the third round of the 1997 NFL Draft by the Miami Dolphins" SEC Country: "Cole Smith was the first offensive lineman to pop. The highly underrated sleeper prospect from North Mississippi visited LSU on the first day of spring practice and before leaving was offered by coach Ed Orgeron. Smith committed on the spot" "Smith is committed to play in the Under Armour All-America Game in January in Orlando, Fla. The Tigers had two offensive line prospects play in that game a year ago, including Austin Deculus and Edward Ingram." According to Scout he was the #2 Center and #2 player out of Mississippi for his class. "Smith, again, is a guy who impressed at some camp settings. At the Under Armour camp in Houston, 247 sports writer Greg Powers had this to say: Not currently rated that is sure to change quickly as Smith earned an invitation to the Under Armour All-America Game after a very good showing against the big-bodied and strong defensive tackles in attendance. He was listed with the wrong number on the media roster, so I was quick to find out who this massive center was." "The fact that Cole Smith didn’t bother to add music to his highlights says pretty much everything you need to know about his style. Smith plays all over on tape, mixing in at left tackle, some at center, and even some snaps on the defensive line. On the hoof he strikes me as one of those corn-fed midwestern types that seems to always find their way to Wisconsin and Iowa. Just big, thick country boys." "He definitely plays a little past the whistle. He’s got a nasty streak. He’s a bully. Probably good traits to have as an offensive lineman, but just needs to make sure he keeps that stuff in check. He’s pretty mobile. He can pull and trap. That gives you options from your center. Solid punch. He’s not a jawbreaker like Trai Turner was, but he can definitely get into you. He can drive a pile. He’s got pretty good power for a guy that’s not 300-plus pounds right now." Image: LINK Image: LINK
I can do that for some other players from the 2018 class if you want me to embarrass you further.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:32 pm to whitefoot
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Why process guys who could actually contribute this year over guys who likely still need another couple of years to develop
Because that’s how recruiting works? You develop guys, and if a guy like a Cameron Lewis never amounts to anything other than “career backup” then that’s when you process them, with the hopes that your freshmen have a higher ceiling.
It means that these freshmen were really really bad if the coaches would rather bail on them so quickly.
When the 2018 class becomes seniors (whoever is still left) we will see the effects of this class truly manifested.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:42 pm to tandrews37
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Why would a Cole Smith wait 2-3 years to transfer. Lloyd Cushenberry is a junior who will probably be here two more years. Charles Turner was an early enrollee.
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Man, for someone who was so high on Cole Smith, you sure have no qualms talking bad about him now.
What did I say bad about him. Was it when I was making fun of you for not knowing DJ Chark and Cushenberry didn't start in their 2nd years on campus?
You are an emotional wreck from all the unwarranted bawling you have been doing about the 2018 class.
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I can do that for some other players from the 2018 class if you want me to embarrass you further.
Your not embarrassing me you are making me laugh at you. You really are stupid. Did you click the links I provided? Everything I posted about Cole was someone's analysis or opinion.
Also Bagdad. Don't forget you have been a member of this site since this month. Don't give up the fact that you are an alter so easily. Even if you get all emotional about your bogus theory on the 2018 class quickly imploding, remember you are an alter but don't want people to know you are an alter. You're welcome!!!
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:51 pm to tandrews37
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Because that’s how recruiting works?
What does losing players to get to the 85 man limit have to do with recruiting?
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You develop guys, and if a guy like a Cameron Lewis never amounts to anything other than “career backup” then that’s when you process them, with the hopes that your freshmen have a higher ceiling.
Why are you so dumb that you continue to think that it is only the coaches that can decide if a player enters the transfer portal? Do you think Eaux, Aranda or Raymond told Kristian Fulton to enter the portal? The players and their families can decide what they want to do with their lives.
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It means that these freshmen were really really bad if the coaches would rather bail on them so quickly
Continue with the assumptions Bagdad.
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When the 2018 class becomes seniors (whoever is still left) we will see the effects of this class truly manifested.
It will be very pleasant after the 2014-2016 and the 44% of remaining players from those classes as of April 2018.
Keep crying about 2018 though. It is really funny and even more hilarious that you are so simple minded you can't even see how ridiculous it is.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:21 pm to Tiger Ree
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You are an emotional wreck from all the unwarranted bawling you have been doing about the 2018 class.
Says the guy melting down because O told him Cole Smith was gonna be a baw.
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lol you’ve been posting that tweet for over a year and still don’t understand what it means.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:40 pm to tandrews37
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lol you’ve been posting that tweet for over a year and still don’t understand what it means.
Thanks for the link. That is yet another example that makes me laugh at you.
In 2014 LSU lost a 5-star and five 4-stars.
The 2015 class lost TWO 5-star players and three 4-stars.
And you are in here pouting like a spoiled 13 year old girl about the 2018 class losing the lowest rated players.
Cry some more girl. Tell me how bad it really hurts that the 2018 class has 73% of its players left.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:49 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tell me how bad it really hurts that the 2018 class has 73% of its players left.
How many players are left from the 2017 class??
By my count the only ones not here are Seth Stewart who never enrolled and Tyler Taylor who was arrested.
So why does the 2017 class despite being on campus a full year longer have so many more players on campus than the 2018 class?
Do you now see how unimaginably STUPID it is to be BRAGGING that 1/4 of the 2018 class is GONE?
Of course not, that would require you to be able to exercise logic, or reason, or not be a complete fricking idiot.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:18 am to tandrews37
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How many players are left from the 2017 class??
don't know, but the 2017 class may be the most solid class, top to bottom, that LSU has ever had in the modern era of football. Not the most top heavy superstar laden class but just a bunch of very solid football players in that class.
quote:Lowell Narcisse was in the 2017 class also.
By my count the only ones not here are Seth Stewart who never enrolled and Tyler Taylor who was arrsted.
Believe it or not, but Justin Jefferson and Tory Carter were the two lowest ranked players in that class. Not many misses in that class at all.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:55 am to boxcar willie
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Believe it or not, but Justin Jefferson and Tory Carter were the two lowest ranked players in that class. Not many misses in that class at all.
But that can’t be, Les Miles only recruited DBs and WRs.
Nevermind that 70% of that class was committed by September 2016,
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:54 am to tandrews37
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Believe it or not, but Justin Jefferson and Tory Carter were the two lowest ranked players in that class. Not many misses in that class at all.
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But that can’t be, Les Miles only recruited DBs and WRs.
Nevermind that 70% of that class was committed by September 2016,
Justin Jefferson did not commit to LSU until almost a year after Les Miles was gone - 8/8/2017.
And unlike Chark and Cushenberry who you incorrectly said started in their 2nd years, Justin did start in his 2nd season and was LSU's leading receiver.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:58 am to tandrews37
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How many players are left from the 2017 class??
What exactly does the 2017 class have to do with the 2014-2016 classes only having 44% of the signees remaining as of April 2018?
From LSU's 24/7 guy:
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Shea Dixon Retweeted Shea Dixon
In this story, numbers on each recruiting class. One that stings? The 2015 class, where 39% of the signees have already transferred or been dismissed.
From the 2014-2016 classes, only 32 signees (44%) remain on the team right now.
A long read on the state of the #LSU scholarship chart, including insight on moves Orgeron's had to make.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:22 pm to tandrews37
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Do you now see how unimaginably STUPID it is to be BRAGGING that 1/4 of the 2018 class is GONE?
I see how unimaginably STUPID it is for you to continually cry over the head coach convincing every player that had eligibility remaining besides 3 to return.
Guess how many players would be remaining from the 2018 class if Les were still the head coach? Probably all of them. CLM recruited on the premise that players would come to LSU for 3 years and leave for the pros.
It is amazing that Coach Eaux has been able to circumvent that stupid reasoning in only his second full year on the job.
But keep crying about the 2018 class losing 6 of the lowest rated recruits. It is very funny and a good look for you.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:09 pm to Tiger Ree
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Guess how many players would be remaining from the 2018 class if Les were still the head coach? Probably all of them.
But I thought Shea Dixon said that LSU had players transferring left and right??
Now you’re saying Les kept underwhelming players around too long?
LMAO you are so angry you cannot even make up your mind. Lashing out and calling me a crying girl (sweet sexist comments) all because you are being embarrassed in this thread for fluffing up the worst recruiting class in years.
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