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re: Can we take as many “walk on’s” as we want and offer them NIL deals?

Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:58 pm to
Posted by KBeezy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:58 pm to
If a player dresses in a game, he must be counted toward the 85
Posted by Burrkester
Up Bayou Northshore
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:49 pm to
The annual cost to attend LSU including tuition, housing, and meal plan is $ 24,768.00 for LA Residents and $41,445.00 for non-res. This does not include books. Add in tax and you would be looking at a min of 30k for an instate player and 55k for non-res just to break even.
I would assume you would have to incentivize on top of that to draw them here.
Realistically, how many could you add and would the talent level justify the financial obligation?
Posted by ORTIGER
Oregon
Member since Dec 2014
953 posts
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:37 pm to
I like this idea for kickers. Punters and long snappers.
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:31 pm to
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I like this idea for kickers. Punters and long snappers.
Oh, absolutely!
Posted by KBeezy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
13544 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:53 pm to
Doesn’t matter

If they dress, they count toward the 85

So might as well be on scholly, you aren’t saving anything
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
46049 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 2:40 pm to
i mentioned this earlier
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41175 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:27 am to
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I like this idea for kickers. Punters and long snappers.


You want shitty kickers?
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
10687 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 2:15 pm to
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The annual cost to attend LSU including tuition, housing, and meal plan is $ 24,768.00 for LA Residents and $41,445.00 for non-res. This does not include books. Add in tax and you would be looking at a min of 30k for an instate player and 55k for non-res just to break even


This is why it makes no sense for a scholarship worthy recruit to walk-on.

Take Jacoby Matthews. The rumor is he is getting $450K at A&M. To be able to play for them as a walk-on, he would owe the school ~$200K in tuition over three years. A team gets ~25 scholarships a class. Any kid worth that kind of money is worth a scholarship. They aren't offering their 26th best recruit that kind of money.

Where NIL might make economic sense is for preferred walk-ons and kickers. While necessary for programs at some level, its rare for a preferred walk-on to make a significant on-field contribution to the success of a Top 10 program.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11872 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 7:57 pm to
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If a player dresses in a game, he must be counted toward the 85

Where are you getting this?

FBS teams get 85 total counters. The definition of a “counter” is “an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.”

So by definition, a player has to be receiving financial aid to be considered a counter. There are very limited situations where a player may become a counter by competing in a game, but AFAIK in all of those cases we are talking about players who are already receiving financial aid and were not being counted because of some sort of exception.

The SEC does limit home teams to 80 participants and away teams to 70 participants, but I haven’t seen anything stating that those participants have to be counters. Additionally, SEC home teams can and do allow way more than 80 players to dress for games. Those extra players just can’t participate in the game.
Posted by justsaygeaux2
Member since Feb 2017
2210 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:33 pm to
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No, NCAA rosters are capped at 105: 85 Scholarship plus 20 PWO (preferred Walk ons). Now what you are getting at is interesting. BYU had a rich donor that have NIL deals to all the walkons, which can be used in the future to get local Utah kids who play ball to walkon and get $$$ and then the coach can go sign 25 guys on Scholarship. So what this does for them is allow them to get around the 85 cap and in substance have 105 guys on scholarship.


BYU is always an odd situation. I "think" they carry more than 105. Prolly 40 of them are out pissing people off all over the world knocking on their doors at 7 in the morning for a year selling the prophet...
Posted by justsaygeaux2
Member since Feb 2017
2210 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:36 pm to
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Take Jacoby Matthews. The rumor is he is getting $450K at A&M. To be able to play for them as a walk-on, he would owe the school ~$200K in tuition over three years. A team gets ~25 scholarships a class. Any kid worth that kind of money is worth a scholarship. They aren't offering their 26th best recruit that kind of money.


This is 8T4 we're talking about. Pay the kid his $450K then have the bursar's office look the other way when he doesn't pay his fee bill....
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