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re: Brandon Harris has to be a major piece to our class in my opinion ...
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:48 am to Websterw331
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:48 am to Websterw331
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What's the point of all these QBs if we are gonna have Jennings for as long as they will be here? I mean, will we sign one or two?
Last year at this time, most LSU fans thought we were great at the RB position for the next several years. Personally, now, I wish someone like an Adam Taylor would be representing the RB position in the 2013 recruiting class. Injury, attrition, and the NFL draft are a part of the recruiting process at present.
Just saying.
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:52 am to CP3LSU25
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Coach Cameron
All he has to do is show up IMO. He's cam cameron no one else has a cam cameron on their side but us
I'm not sure if this was sarcastic or not, but I honestly believe that if Cam wants Harris as much as it seems he does, the kid will be a Tiger.
When his parents and coaches look at Cam Cameron's body of work from Randle El in college to Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and Joe Flacco in the pros, you simply can't pass up the opportunity to work with him.
The guy has easily the most impressive resume of any OC in the country. Sure, this is his first year in the SEC, but he has proven that he can coach and succeed at the highest level.
If Mett shows even the slightest improvement from last year, approaches 3,000 yards with 20 TDs and keeps his INTs the same, something I think he likely could have done even without Cam due to having a deep threat like Leslie or Dural and a stable OL in front of him, the SEC had better be on notice. Miles shifted the whole landscape by landing Cam, and the fact that the media isn't all over the hire just shows how out of touch they are.
LF should look at his work with LT, Ronnie Brown, and Ray Rice as well.
Cam has success that every other OC in the country can only dream of.
If he puts the full court press on Harris, it just wouldn't make any sense for him to go anywhere else IMO.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 10:54 am
Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:12 am to Tiger Voodoo
I agree.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:30 am to LaBornNRaised
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Having a kid so talented in our own backyard in a cycle where our state is unreal loaded at a position of need is just awesome. I
The last 2 highly rated qbs out of LA, came to LSU. RP and JJ. Yet fans still find a way to blame miles and say we should stop recruiting low character guys. Yet i dont recall either being in a lot of trouble before LSU.
So weve gotten the LA qbs when we wanted them. I dont see this being any diff.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:43 am to The Egg
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logjams always work themselves out with attrition or injury. just the way things work. Let's say for 2014, we have a 3 way battle with Rivers/Jennings/Rettig, with Jennings winning out. I could see Rivers wanting to transfer, and then Rettig being your backup. And then, Rettig gets tired of riding the pine and wanting to transfer out. so you have 2 transfers from a supposed logjam...and your 2 2014 QB signees have redshirted, spacing out the gap from Jennings and setting up the future QB battle.
and I can easily see that. Look at what happened and is still happening this offseason, it is a FA market frenzy out there with the QBs leading the way. The week before last I think I saw tweets about 6-7 QBs looking to transfer.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:29 pm to Prominentwon
Come on Prom. Star gazing?
I am just pointing out that we have a QB at home that is at least a equal option to the other guys who we have a shot at who has the ability to grow into the best of the group.
Considering our QB woes and the lack of elite signal callers to cone out of La along with my want for a Dual threat guy, I think he is the perfect guy for us. You can disagree and undoubtedly will. This is just my opinion.
I am just pointing out that we have a QB at home that is at least a equal option to the other guys who we have a shot at who has the ability to grow into the best of the group.
Considering our QB woes and the lack of elite signal callers to cone out of La along with my want for a Dual threat guy, I think he is the perfect guy for us. You can disagree and undoubtedly will. This is just my opinion.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:53 pm to Datbayoubengal
I really don't buy that. I believe everything you mentioned is natural just like arm strength. It's very rare you ever see a guy go from being completely inaccurate with his passes to full blown accurate. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a QB do it. It's the same with pocket presence. These are just natural gifts to a QB and coaches are stubborn enough to think they can coach them up. This is why you get high bust % at QB in the NFL. They see a natural athlete that lacks the areas of their game you mentioned and think they can coach it up. Very rarely happens.
That's why I'm excited with Jennings. He already shows accuracy and excellent pocket presence. Mett is a 5th year college player and Jennings in the spring game showed more pocket presence than Mett last year. The only time you really saw Jennings miss a pass on accuracy was chemistry with his WRs. Now that's definitely something that will improve. I'm just not a fan of grabbing QB because he runs fast and has a superman arm. I'd rather a guy who is more well-rounded and polished in areas I don't believe can be coached well. Jennings doesn't have a great arm but you see the polish I'm talking about in other areas.
You can coach things like accuracy up a little bit but I think it's overblown on how much coaches think they can impact. As for Harris, I'm just basing that off what I saw so far. It's possible he could've just progressed that much and I'm completely wrong. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
That's why I'm excited with Jennings. He already shows accuracy and excellent pocket presence. Mett is a 5th year college player and Jennings in the spring game showed more pocket presence than Mett last year. The only time you really saw Jennings miss a pass on accuracy was chemistry with his WRs. Now that's definitely something that will improve. I'm just not a fan of grabbing QB because he runs fast and has a superman arm. I'd rather a guy who is more well-rounded and polished in areas I don't believe can be coached well. Jennings doesn't have a great arm but you see the polish I'm talking about in other areas.
You can coach things like accuracy up a little bit but I think it's overblown on how much coaches think they can impact. As for Harris, I'm just basing that off what I saw so far. It's possible he could've just progressed that much and I'm completely wrong. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:58 pm to deuce985
any word from the paid guys (shea ect.) on what LSU is doing with regards to qbs. it seems like its becoming a race to see which qb will commit first. I'm just wondering if we will take the first one to commit or will we pass up 1 0r 2 guys to get to the home run guy.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:12 pm to deuce985
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It's very rare you ever see a guy go from being completely inaccurate
He's not "completely inaccurate" he has, or at least had, some inconsistent accuracy issues. Just from the spring highlights he looked really accurate putting the ball right where it needed to be. Also like somebody said, he plays a more vertical passing game which means you aren't going to get the little 5 yard slants and screens to pad your cmp%. This is why you see spread QBs with so high cmp% because they are making the easy throws while this guy is one step ahead of the pack and constantly throwing 20 and 30 yards down the field.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:12 pm to deuce985
Duece, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but accuracy can be improved. Comp % is, especially for a HS Jr is not a good measure. Drops are one factor, but not all, WR's need to run the correct routes, get separation, etc.
Pitchers have improved control, that's accuracy.
Pitchers have improved control, that's accuracy.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
yeah, imo, it really depends on the reason for inaccuracy. If his form/mechanics are sound and he's inaccurate, Deuce is probably right that you can't coach that up as much. Some people lack the ability to be consistent which holds back greatness. That's true of pitchers and QBs and golfers and many other athletes.
But if you find a raw kid that has poor mechanics but a good arm, there is a much better chance you can fix his mechanics and his accuracy will improve a lot. Just like a golf swing, sometimes it doesn't even take that much coaching to fix huge issues and you improve dramatically.
But if you find a raw kid that has poor mechanics but a good arm, there is a much better chance you can fix his mechanics and his accuracy will improve a lot. Just like a golf swing, sometimes it doesn't even take that much coaching to fix huge issues and you improve dramatically.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 3:14 pm to tmc94
I agree about consistency, that's what really separates the good from the great. It's also worth mentioning that improving a 16-17 year old to where he is good enough for college is not as difficult as improving a 21-23 y/o enough to succeed in the NFL.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
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“Honestly, I felt like I had an average game,” Harris said. “Coach McKinney and Coach Price said that was the best showing they’d ever seen from a high school quarterback. That was the feedback I got from A&M. In fact, Coach Sumlin talked to my dad tonight and my dad told me Coach Sumlin was blown away by the feedback he got from Coach McKinney and Coach Price. I don’t know if Coach Sumlin follows this 247 stuff but he congratulated me on becoming the No. 1 dual-threat in the country too so that was crazy.”
This upcoming weekend, Harris and his family will head down to Baton Rouge for the Tigers’ recruiting picnic. He previews that upcoming trip.
“It’s going to be exciting but everyone thinks I’m locked into this school or I’m locked into that schools. Really, my options are wide open. I talk to every school like I do everyone else. Just because someone is making it out to be that I’m staying in-state, that’s not true, I’m looking at all my options. Whoever gives me the best chance to succeed. I’m pretty sure I’ll be blown away by LSU this weekend because it will be my first campus atmosphere but I’m not going to commit. I’m not committing to any school until July 18th. I don’t care how much I love it.
“LSU is a top ten program just like A&M, Alabama, Ohio State, Auburn and other schools recruiting me. They have an X-NFL offensive coordinator. Another thing that’s impressive about LSU, is that last year people were saying Zach (Mettenberger) was the worst quarterback in the SEC, and he’s now considered the top quarterback in the conference behind Johnny Manziel and AJ McCarron. My big question with LSU is whether or not Les Miles is going to call the plays or Coach Cameron? In recent past, during crunch time they run the ball. As a quarterback you want to know they have confidence in you. Of course I’m going to have interest in LSU, not just because they’re the in-state school, but also the pedigree they have. However, you’d be surprised who the number one school is who’s standing out to me right now.”
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"Are they still going to run the ball 98% of the time or open up and try to throw it? Obviously, people will tell you anything to get you on campus and sign your letter of intent, but that’s why you have to do your research on everything. I mean, when Coach Cameron was at Baltimore they ran the ball a lot. They had Ray Rice and they still had one of the top quarterbacks in the league. I want to play in an offense that’s wide open and where I’ll be trusted by the head coach.”
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:28 pm to Maximus
Max - are those quotes from a Hamm article or some other source? Because they sound pretty positive for A&M - especially that last line. Most recruits play to whoever is interviewing them and hype up the things about that school so it's probably best to read between the lines.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:37 pm to Maximus
Does Harris read the rant? Holy shite. 
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:39 pm to deuce985
Ill be very surprised if we land this kid.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:18 pm to tmc94
Hamm
you can tell its a hamm article when every LA kid is defensive with "why does everyone think I'm a lock to lsu?" quotes.
you can tell its a hamm article when every LA kid is defensive with "why does everyone think I'm a lock to lsu?" quotes.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 8:40 pm to Maximus
His list of schools are LSU, Ole Miss, aTm, Auburn, Ohio State, Alabama, and Baylor.
Who out of that list would surprise you? Baylor would surprise me but I understand why he would pick them. They have an outstanding offensive scheme that could showcase his talents and a Heisman Trophy winner in RGIII a couple of years ago.
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However, you’d be surprised who the number one school is who’s standing out to me right now.”
Who out of that list would surprise you? Baylor would surprise me but I understand why he would pick them. They have an outstanding offensive scheme that could showcase his talents and a Heisman Trophy winner in RGIII a couple of years ago.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:06 pm to Prominentwon
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....and this thread is a painfully obvious example of rating/star gazing, IMO.
Maybe, but he's got a lot of big time schools wanting him. I'd say that speaks more than 247 rankings or R.B. evaluations.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:09 pm to Websterw331
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What's the point of all these QBs if we are gonna have Jennings for as long as they will be here? I mean, will we sign one or two?
I think Oregon went down to 3rd on their depth chart one year, and the third guy was Masoli.
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