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re: Are you concerned about LSU's staff from a recruiting standpoint?
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:12 pm to BayouCowboy
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:12 pm to BayouCowboy
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The most important thing to recruit a kid and his family is "I will get you developed, I will get you drafted and I will get you paid."
I don't disagree at all that this is a significant thing that recruits are looking for. But at the same time, we also hear a lot of recruits talk about their connection to the staff and the feeling they get being around the program, etc., etc.
But if what you stated is the primary and/or sole reason for recruits, then why was it a known fact that other schools were able to successfully negatively recruit LSU, not on the basis of scheme or putting linemen into the league, but on the fact of asking them, "have you met your position coach," "how well do you know your position coach," "do you think he will be around to even coach you all the way through," and etc., etc. when Jenkins was the coach? I won't swear by it, but I'm pretty sure there were even direct statements by some recruits as to this fact. From a development standpoint, recruits couldn't have asked for a better developer for the league than someone like Jenkins. Hell, the man still has/had elite NFL linemen coming to him in the off season to do work.
Plus, I'm pretty sure O even admitted last week in his recruiting class recap, that it did hurt LSU losing Meatball when they did with players like Jackson, and even Burch, because of the relationship that he developed with them. And I don't think it was b/c they thought Meatball was going to be some great developer for the league.
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Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:12 pm to TigerLaw40
No, not concerned.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:15 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I still haven't heard a confirmed explanation of the Meatball story. That was a weird deal where he was leaving/staying etc.
I guess Bill Johnson wanted to coach another year so meatball wasn’t offered his job back. So 600k as Baylor DL coach or 100k as an analyst working under someone who stole your job.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:19 pm to BayouCowboy
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I'll counter with this. The most important thing to recruit a kid and his family is "I will get you developed, I will get you drafted and I will get you paid."
Kids want to feel at home, they want to feel comfortable, they want to connect with their position coach. First impression is huge in recruiting
If they can’t connect with Bill Johnson they aren’t going to want to come play for him, for example.
The huge turnover on LSU’s coaching staff was going to affect recruiting as it is. Then To fill the departed vacancies with no ace recruiters is a fail.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:28 pm to TigerLaw40
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But if what you stated is the primary and/or sole reason for recruits, then why was it a known fact that other schools were able to successfully negatively recruit LSU, not on the basis of scheme or putting linemen into the league, but on the fact of asking them, "have you met your position coach," "how well do you know your position coach," "do you think he will be around to even coach you all the way through," and etc., etc. when Jenkins was the coach? I won't swear by it, but I'm pretty sure there were even direct statements by some recruits as to this fact.
You are correct about Jenkins. He was not out recruiting and that was a knock. My point is that coaching ability is a huge aspect and an older elite coach can sell that to recruits. I also know Lawrence raved about how much Jenkins helped him develop. I never heard him say the same about Meatball. I'm not a fan of 60+ year old coordinators and position coaches, but I don't think they have to be in their 30's either.
I know a lot of lazy arse 20-30 year olds and 50+ guys that can run circles around the young'uns. I do agree a mix of experience and youth is ideal, but not requisite.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:35 pm to Lester Earl
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Kids want to feel at home, they want to feel comfortable, they want to connect with their position coach. First impression is huge in recruiting If they can’t connect with Bill Johnson they aren’t going to want to come play for him, for example. The huge turnover on LSU’s coaching staff was going to affect recruiting as it is. Then To fill the departed vacancies with no ace recruiters is a fail.
I've already stated this once about Faulk and you seem to not get it:
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Faulk will join the staff as the Director of Player Development.
According to an LSU press release, Faulk will work with LSU's football student-athletes on their academic direction, social development and overall quality of life with the goal of enhancing their development in the classroom, the community and on the football field.
"Kevin is one of the all-time LSU greats and to have him in a role to mentor and develop our players is going to be benefit everyone associated with our program," Orgeron said in a press release. "Our mission is to develop every aspect of a young man's life while he's part of our program, and Kevin is going to be instrumental in this process."
Tell me how Faulk doesn't check that box?
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:40 pm to crewdepoo
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So 600k as Baylor DL coach or 100k as an analyst working under someone who stole your job.
He's not getting $600K to coach DL at Baylor, the number is in the $250K range.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:44 pm to BayouCowboy
The scope of work for a true on field coach / recruiter is much much different than an admin who greets recruits on recruiting visits to LSU & chums it up with players at practice
Faulk needs to step in an immediately be one of LSU’s 4-5 best recruiters. But... he’s never done that....there’s a huge turnover on staff....which only highlights it more..,he better be a damn homerun hire
Faulk needs to step in an immediately be one of LSU’s 4-5 best recruiters. But... he’s never done that....there’s a huge turnover on staff....which only highlights it more..,he better be a damn homerun hire
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:51 pm to Curtis Lowe
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He's not getting $600K to coach DL at Baylor, the number is in the $250K range.
600 was floated around before. It’s a private school so we don’t know. But it was stated that he will triple his old salary. Not sure if that refers his analyst or coach salary. So 300 or 600
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:52 pm to Lester Earl
Was there a reason Robinson was allowed to leave without an extension? Pelini being a solid hire seems like the only thing that has kept this offseason from being a pretty big disappointment / potential momentum killer.
IMO, one thing that seems most unlikely is Orgeron screwing up management of recruiting, so the whole benefit of the doubt thing would be especially in play here. Just doesn’t feel great when viewed against the backdrop of the rest of the offseason and shifting of the staff.
IMO, one thing that seems most unlikely is Orgeron screwing up management of recruiting, so the whole benefit of the doubt thing would be especially in play here. Just doesn’t feel great when viewed against the backdrop of the rest of the offseason and shifting of the staff.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:08 pm to Lester Earl
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The huge turnover on LSU’s coaching staff
LSU has officially lost a DC and PGC, which is the same as Ohio State. Potentially could lose RB coach Tommy Robinson.
I wouldn't call that huge turnover by any stretch.
Also, Ohio State replaced 40-yeard-old DC Jeff Hafley with 58-year-old Kerry Coombs.
As usual, you (and others) are making something out of nothing.
Also of note, Clemson and Ohio State both lost PGCs or Co-OCs. Both filled their opening with an analyst, getting his first major college coaching job. Neither got the title of the person they were replacing, however.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:22 pm to crewdepoo
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600 was floated around before. It’s a private school so we don’t know. But it was stated that he will triple his old salary. Not sure if that refers his analyst or coach salary. So 300 or 600
Highest paid analyst at LSU in 2019 was $78,000. Meatball made less than that figure ($70,000), he would have been retained in a $75,000 to $78,000 salary.
A tripling of his salary is a lot less than $600K. More in the $225K - $250K range.
Article on 2019 Highest Paid DL Coaches LINK
$600K would make him the 4th highest paid DL coach in all of college football, really??????
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:27 pm to BayouCowboy
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I'm not a fan of 60+ year old coordinators and position coaches, but I don't think they have to be in their 30's either.
I know a lot of lazy arse 20-30 year olds and 50+ guys that can run circles around the young'uns. I do agree a mix of experience and youth is ideal, but not requisite.
Exactly. You have never heard me say, "hire youth, for youth's sake," in any of my posts. While I think this staff can use some youthening up, I'm not saying that I think it is a given that just because a coach is young they will automatically be a great recruiter and/or developer of talent.
In fact, I even stated that I consider Raymond to be one of, if not the only, ace recruiter on our staff, and he is in his 50's now. I don't expect that will change anytime soon either, as he continues to bring in top recruits at his position. Other staffs have great recruiters on them that are also not "young." My point is more, and maybe should have been asked this way, but do you think O is bringing in, or has put together, a good enough combination of skill sets between coaching/development and recruiter. In my opinion, based on some assumptions, it feels like this staff is leaning heavier towards the coach/developer and not enough of those that can also recruit well or have a desire to do it.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:29 pm to Curtis Lowe
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:38 pm to crewdepoo
Excerpt from your posted article:
Here’s a breakdown of the bonuses :
Dennis Johnson Jr. - Defensive Line Coach
Will receive $60,000 in bonuses for LSU’s 15-0 season and National Championship victory, in addition to his base salary of $200,000.
That contract is not valid as he could not perform the job responsibilities and he was reduced to an analyst role with a much smaller salary. Please note that he is not the DL coach that WAFB is proclaiming erroneously in this article. Also, please note that the real DL coach is not even listed in the article.
WAFB just went with a long ago compiled list and made a mistake.
Here’s a breakdown of the bonuses :
Dennis Johnson Jr. - Defensive Line Coach
Will receive $60,000 in bonuses for LSU’s 15-0 season and National Championship victory, in addition to his base salary of $200,000.
That contract is not valid as he could not perform the job responsibilities and he was reduced to an analyst role with a much smaller salary. Please note that he is not the DL coach that WAFB is proclaiming erroneously in this article. Also, please note that the real DL coach is not even listed in the article.
WAFB just went with a long ago compiled list and made a mistake.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:52 pm to Lou Pai
I think He’s justifying Corey Raymond’s raise by giving him recruiting coordinator. I suspect that is what will happen. So Robinson is expendable.
With some of the other contracts, O will make RB coach one of the lowest paid.
He still has some great recruiters. But the staff as a whole seems more focused on on-field coaching than recruiting. And they’ve gotten much older, of course. I wonder how much has to do with the long season? It just seems lazy to me
With some of the other contracts, O will make RB coach one of the lowest paid.
He still has some great recruiters. But the staff as a whole seems more focused on on-field coaching than recruiting. And they’ve gotten much older, of course. I wonder how much has to do with the long season? It just seems lazy to me
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:01 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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As usual, you (and others) are making something out of nothing
No, you just don’t understand that the PGC is the OC
And per your posts the last few weeks, you do not understand the roles GA’s & analyst like Decoster & Meatball played
Losing two coordinators is huge on its own. Why downplay that I don’t know.
It’s not so much that the replacements can’t coach. It’s getting everyone together on the same page. That’s not even factoring in the huge analyst turnover.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:22 pm to Lester Earl
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Faulk needs to step in an immediately be one of LSU’s 4-5 best recruiters. But... he’s never done that..
If you don't think he's been recruiting on campus the last couple of years you haven't been paying attention.
He along with Joseph is one of the reasons we got Emery and he was on the road this last month and landed that RB from Texas
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:26 pm to Lester Earl
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analyst like Decoster & Meatball played
We don't know who they've hired yet to replace these guys.
The 2 offensive analyst hires look good plus Mangus is still on staff
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:37 pm to Lester Earl
Are Ensminger and Linehan adequate on-field coaches though? I've seen people advocating for Linehan's QB development skills but otherwise seems very very meh
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 5:38 pm
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