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re: Are you concerned about LSU's staff from a recruiting standpoint?

Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:38 pm to
Posted by NakaTrash
Texas Hill Country
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:38 pm to
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:51 pm to
Damn. Tough crowd.

I don’t have any answers for you OP but kind of surprised how harsh the responses are in here considering you put some time into the post, didn’t say anything crazy and just asked some questions.

Hope you get your answers.
Posted by TriedandTrue
Member since Jan 2020
244 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:02 pm to
What will do far more more for us is if recruits see that we are still successful next year with Brennan.
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:11 pm to
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He did but that doesn’t fit the OPs narrative

Well, for starters smartass, no he didn’t. Mickey Joseph is widely credited with getting Emery. Robinson was only listed on his profile because he is the position coach; but Joseph did all the work and had the connections.

And as I stated in the opening of my thread, there is no “narrative” being created here.

My OP asked a damn simple question in an effort to hear the legitimate feedback of others that self-admittedly know more about the subject. I appreciate the few that have done that, while others like you serve no purpose but to be the typical internet a-hole.

My post was in no way intended to serve as a criticism of O, of the recruiting classes we have recently had, or even of the staff. I broke it down how I saw it from my viewpoint, but will be happy to be shown why my assessment is incorrect.
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:17 pm to
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You got wayyyy too much time on your hands.

Why? Because I’m capable of forming a complete thought and providing some basis for that thought and reasoning? It literally took me maybe 5 minutes or less to think of that and to type it out. Sorry some like you on here are incapable of such things. Feel free to return to the usual dribble of pontificating on the words and actions of 16-18 year olds and arguing about who has legitimate sources and who is full of shite.
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:23 pm to
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Damn. Tough crowd.

I don’t have any answers for you OP but kind of surprised how harsh the responses are in here considering you put some time into the post, didn’t say anything crazy and just asked some questions.

Hope you get your answers.

Appreciate it man. Honestly I’m not surprised considering the number of irrational trolls that roam around these parts and go on the attack after overreacting to even the most innocuous of things that they perceive to be some slight.

Thankfully there have been a couple of decent responses here and there.
Posted by BiggaGeauxrilla
North Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
2361 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:30 pm to
Yea, Brady didn't recruit and was on record pretty much saying he didn't enjoy doing it at all...and that worked out ok...
Posted by Nickelwindow
California
Member since Dec 2019
172 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:17 am to
Robinson has brought in all the running backs on the roster so what are you saying ?
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 7:06 am to
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Robinson has brought in all the running backs on the roster so what are you saying ?

Not according to 247. He was only the primary recruiter for Ty Davis-Price, which Ensminger also helped on, as Baton Rouge is his primary territory.

Raymond was the primary recruiter of Curry, who committed only a few months after Robinson was even hired. As stated above, Joseph was the one credited with getting Emery.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
53535 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 7:44 am to
Apparently Kevin Faulk has taken over for T-Rob. I would say I am not concerned with recruiting.
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:05 am to
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Apparently Kevin Faulk has taken over for T-Rob. I would say I am not concerned with recruiting.


I agree that the potential for Faulk to be a great recruiter is certainly there. Brings credibility from playing at LSU and in the NFL, while having a super bowl ring on the finger. He can also tell recruits, Louisiana ones especially, what it means to play for your state and be a game changer for the program.

But my post was prior to the rumor; so it of course was based on Robinson. However, if you are ranking, I don't see how you could put Faulk any higher than a Tier 2 since he is unproven and has no track record of recruiting. But as they say in the recruiting/talent evaluation world, his ceiling is high.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31950 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:38 am to
Did you think the staff was good from a recruiting standpoint before?

Because you really just trade Aranda for Pelini and Brady for Linehan.

Aranda wasn't considered a good recruiter, and Brady has publicly stated he hated recruiting, which was one of the reasons he left.

We may be no better off, but we certainly are not worse.

And I'll take status quo. Our recruiting has been awesome.
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:02 am to
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We may be no better off, but we certainly are not worse.

That may be true, which is why I asked the question.

Also, since we are in a recruiting dead period, I just thought it may be a good time to discuss the staff collectively at this point, not necessarily comparing to what it was, and asking the question if people (who know better than I) felt that the staff is what it should be in order to maintain bringing in top 5 classes year after year and pushing for #1, or does O need to look at potentially boosting that portion of the staff at some point.

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Brady has publicly stated he hated recruiting, which was one of the reasons he left.


I don't think he ever stated it that strongly as to say he hated it. I'm not even sure that I ever heard or read where he said anything even directly about it; but rather indirectly, which writers and insiders took to making it known that it was a part of the college game that Brady didn't like. People also said, it was more the grind of it and dealing with kids that change their minds a million times that he didn't like. But they also said he enjoyed the evaluation portion of it and getting to know the kids and selling them on why they should come to LSU, which in the end is what recruiting is all about.

I'm not saying that he did like it; and I'm sure there is a great deal of truth as to that being a reason why he wanted back in the NFL. But to say that he didn't possess a lot of qualities that would have made him a great recruiter had he decided to stay in college coaching, would also be disingenuous. I think most would agree he would have made a lot of positive contributions in that area. Linehan on the other hand, I frankly just don't know. But I'm not sure that I see much on the surface that would suggest he is going to like it any more than Brady did, nor possess the traits Brady did to possibly be good at it.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1501 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:11 am to
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Linehan on the other hand, I frankly just don't know. But I'm not sure that I see much on the surface that would suggest he is going to like it any more than Brady did, nor possess the traits Brady did to possibly be good at it.


You do realize that Linehan coached and recruited in the college ranks for 13 years prior to being hired as an OC in the NFL.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
53535 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:14 am to


I'm saying I think Faulk will be a good recruiter at the RB position.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
53535 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:25 am to
I'd like to think of Ryan Clark, Marcus Spears and Booger all as recruiters. They're always on ESPN representing LSU. Shadow staff
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:50 am to
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:01 am to
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You do realize that Linehan coached and recruited in the college ranks for 13 years prior to being hired as an OC in the NFL.


I do realize that. Thanks for pointing that out, man.

I also realize that it has been nearly 20 years since he was last in the college ranks doing that.

I was once a teacher. Doesn't mean I want to go back to being in the classroom now either.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:20 am to
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But the point of the thread is to get your reasoning of why you aren't concerned, when nearly half of the staff or more are either unproven with no reason to believe they will be good, or have proven to not be that great at it.


there is always a need to balance a coaching staff's ability to coach and their ability to recruit. but all coaches go into the "field" to visit recruits and their families. some may not be high powered "sales types" but can still be effective if they can convince the recruit of LSU's ability to develop them. coaches with great credentials can be used as a sales tool themselves.

in short, i can't definitively answer your question and think we'll have to wait and see.
Posted by KaizenLSU
Member since Jan 2018
526 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:23 am to
Ditto
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