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Aggie Board - Wanting a new QB?

Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:41 am
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:41 am
Aggie replaced Weigman with Marcel, then they lose Weigman, and now the Aggie board is talking about needing a "champion-caliber QB".

Never stop agging, Aggie.

And FTW, one of the names the guy lists is none other than Rickie Collins!
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:42 am to
I’m sure Collin Klein still wants Avery Johnson but he isn’t leaving a starting job at K-State to compete with Reed
Posted by SouthernInsanity
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:44 am to
Ricky Collins to the aggies.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61043 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:47 am to
Grass is always greener on the other side.

Remember that when you're calling for Nuss to be benched and BK to be fired.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34617 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:47 am to
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Aggie replaced Weigman with Marcel, then they lose Weigman, and now the Aggie board is talking about needing a "champion-caliber QB". Never stop agging, Aggie. And FTW, one of the names the guy lists is none other than Rickie Collins!



I thought the hype for Reed coming out of our game was odd. They had already gone to Reed earlier in the season and switched back.


They just caught us in a perfect storm making the switch in a game at home to a qb with a completely different style with short fields that matched up to our biggest weakness.

It was simple zone read.
Posted by BROpaneTANK
Mandeville
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:51 am to
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I thought the hype for Reed coming out of our game was odd. They had already gone to Reed earlier in the season and switched back. They just caught us in a perfect storm making the switch in a game at home to a qb with a completely different style with short fields that matched up to our biggest weakness. It was simple zone read.

Yep, he started his first two possessions off LSU interception inside the 30. Third possession started in their territory and made a 1-play perfect throw into our red zone again. Couldn’t have made it easier for him to start.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 10:52 am
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
1416 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:51 am to
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Grass is always greener on the other side.

Remember that when you're calling for Nuss to be benched and BK to be fired.

FTR, I didn't want Nuss to be benched. I do think there's merit, however, in getting a quality QB2 from the portal that has a similar skillset to Nuss. We're going to lose too many people from the offense this year, so it woiuld behoove us to have a QB that's similar to what Nuss brings to the table instead of looking for a backup that's a complete change of pace.

I don't think we'll have the luxury of having an offense that - if needed - could make the adjustment from gunslinger to dual-threat QB and still stay productive.

Just my two pennies worth, anyway.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:54 am to
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Yep, he started his first two possessions off LSU interception inside the 30. Third possession started in their territory and made a 1-play perfect throw into our red zone again. Couldn’t have made it easier for him to start.


Yep. This was my point in including the short fields part.



I firmly believe that if we punt the ball instead of throw that first INT we win the game.


The crowd is still quiet. The defense has time to adjust, more time runs off the clock etc etc.


Instead the crowd got loud, the game got tight, the defense got shell shocked and nuss got flustered. He was like Shane falco. Quicksand.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 10:56 am
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61043 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:55 am to
Just speaking in general, not calling you out specifically.

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I do think there's merit, however, in getting a quality QB2 from the portal that has a similar skillset to Nuss. We're going to lose too many people from the offense this year, so it woiuld behoove us to have a QB that's similar to what Nuss brings to the table instead of looking for a backup that's a complete change of pace.


That's why they got Swann
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61043 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:57 am to
quote:

I thought the hype for Reed coming out of our game was odd. They had already gone to Reed earlier in the season and switched back.


They just caught us in a perfect storm making the switch in a game at home to a qb with a completely different style with short fields that matched up to our biggest weakness.

It was simple zone read.


It was even weirder that they started really hyping Moffitt and talking about being mentally tough and physically dominant after that game.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
14737 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:00 am to
During the short time Swann was in the game he threw a few erratic passes
and tried to call the fourth time out of the half.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 1:17 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61043 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:03 am to
That's what you're going to get, we aren't going to get an upper echelon starter to come in and compete with Nuss.

Swann is probably about as good as it gets, considering he has started games in the SEC.
Posted by OJsLifeCoach
NYC
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2392 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:04 am to
I find it so weird that some of you lurk that homoerotic site in the first place
Posted by bass
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:04 am to
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I didn't want Nuss to be benched
I’m in favor of benching Nuss. I’m not a Nuss hater, it’s just been VERY difficult watching him this season. I’m rooting for him, hope he can turn things around. But currently my confidence level in him is not all that great against sound defenses.
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
1416 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:10 am to
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That's why they got Swann

Swann is/was the Temu blue-light special on the QB1 isle. He was never going to be a QB1-caliber player for an SEC team - especially not behind Nuss.

I was never really sure why we picked him up when he couldn't beat out a (previously unproven on the big stage) dual-threat transfer QB from New Mexico State - at Vanderbilt, of all places.

Then again, maybe he was the best one left over when the coaches realized that they might need an actual drop-back passer for a backup instead of an unproven dual-threat QB in Collins.

Inquiring minds kinda want to know (but not really).
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
1416 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:19 am to
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I’m in favor of benching Nuss. I’m not a Nuss hater, it’s just been VERY difficult watching him this season. I’m rooting for him, hope he can turn things around. But currently my confidence level in him is not all that great against sound defenses.

I hear you, brother. And I confess I felt the same about Burrow and Daniels in their first year at QB1, too. Just like with Nuss vs. OU, the light and the FAFO attitude didn't really come out for either of those guys until the end of their first year.

The difference with Nuss, though, is that early on you could see the raw talent he has in ways you didn't see with Burrow or Daniels in their first years. Starting with the USCw game, nobody was doubting his passing skills but we were all saying that better decision-making and running a bit here and there would make him formidable.

I'm truly hoping that next year Nuss shows he's turned the corner - and he'll need to, given the losses in experienced players he'll have to deal with elsewhere on next year's offense.

(And, for the drooling, mouth-breathing baws that are already yelling about the stupidity of comparing Nuss to Burrow - I'm NOT making that comparison on talent. I'm simply saying that the development curve for both players seems to be following the same path, and I'm hopeful that Nuss will make the same kind of jump that JB did in his second year.)
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 11:20 am
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
1416 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:32 am to
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They just caught us in a perfect storm making the switch in a game at home to a qb with a completely different style with short fields that matched up to our biggest weakness.

It was simple zone read.

At first, I thought that Elko was simply putting in Marcel to make a point with Weigman - calm down and play better, or else....

I firmly believe that Elko had NO idea that Marcel would carve up our defense the way he did, and simply decided to ride the hot hand for the rest of his game.

Kudos to him for making lemonade out of Yell Leader piss, but I won't give him credit for making some masterful, well thought-out change at QB to take advantage of an obvious weakness in our defense (he never saw that weakness, given that Weigman played the entire first half).

He simply rolled a seven and got lucky.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61043 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:54 am to
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Swann is/was the Temu blue-light special on the QB1 isle. He was never going to be a QB1-caliber player for an SEC team - especially not behind Nuss.


Exactly, he was always meant to be the backup, he likely knew this coming in.

Why would a high caliber quarterback looking for playing time want to come to LSU and compete with an entrenched starter who already knows the offense? It isn't realistic to expect that.

Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
1416 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:59 am to
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Exactly, he was always meant to be the backup, he likely knew this coming in.

Why would a high caliber quarterback looking for playing time want to come to LSU and compete with an entrenched starter who already knows the offense? It isn't realistic to expect that.

That was kinda my point at the beginning...

In my other post, I said I wasn't sure about the Rant's obsession with needing to bring in another starting-caliber QB to "compete" with Nuss, but whatever. As a thought exercise, I simply threw out a name that I thought would fit with the average Rantard's narrative about needing someone else to "push" Nuss in the offseason.

Like I said, the hook was too shiny and I shouldn't have bit at it, but I did so let the mouth-breathers have their fun at my expense. I can handle it.

That said, though....

I still believe we need to find someone better than Swann as a backup. If you have a DT QB1, you might get by with a backup that's a lesser-quality passer as long as your RB's can pick up the slack.

If your entire offense is going to be predicated around a gunslinger, you need someone capable of actually passing the ball in an SEC offense as a backup. But with someone like Nuss at QB1 that's not the case, and we need a better backup for him.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 12:05 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61043 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

In my other post, I said I wasn't sure about the Rant's obsession with needing to bring in another starting-caliber QB to "compete" with Nuss, but whatever. 


Yeah, I mean it sounds good in theory but isn't going to happen.

Posters here want a lot of things that just aren't realistic.
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