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2022 OL class can be special (long)
Posted on 11/20/20 at 5:15 am
Posted on 11/20/20 at 5:15 am
During the last three (3) months, I venture to guess almost everyone that follows recruiting has pointed to the glaring omission of LSU’s 2021 recruiting class and asked something along the lines of (myself included):
“Where’s the beef (only 1 of 22 commitments are OL)?”
A couple of points are mentioned almost every time this topic is mentioned on message boards; (i) last year’s class only having 3 HS commitments seemingly to support a theory that insufficient OL recruiting is becoming a trend. And almost without fail, (ii) LSU should be signing 4-5 of the highest-rated OL obtainable each cycle (which I completely agree with).
Before diving into the 2022 class, I offer my two cents on 2020-2021 OL recruiting. Most of the criticism for LSU’s OL recruiting centers around the quantity of commitments (I feel this criticism is fair). Regarding the quality of OL prospects from these classes, however, I believe coach O and Cregg should be commended for signing talented guys (Dumervil, Hill, Dellinger, & hopefully Leigh). The ESP for 2021 is less than a month away, so we should have a more definitive picture of this year’s OL class in short order. For those monitoring the situation closely, however, I recommend adjusting expectations for the quantity of 2021 commitments to three (3) OTs – Dellinger, Leigh and a graduate transfer (hopefully I'm wrong, & we sign a fourth).
2022 Recruiting
Even with LSU landing a number of talented OL recruits in 2020 and 2021, the consensus among fans is that recruiting for this position group needs to improve by annually signing more centers, guards and tackles. Such criticism may seem unjust and/or misplaced based on the top-tier classes (in terms of rank by recruiting services) Orgeron has brought in during his tenure at LSU. However, comparison of OL recruiting for LSU to Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Oregon, and Notre Dame during the previous four (4) seasons reflects a gap in the quality and quantity of OL classes.
That said, I see 2022 as the year for O & company to buck this trend by signing the type of class we are seeking. My optimism stems from a look ahead at OL targets in which I discovered the following:
1) Early commitment from 4* OG,
2) Two (2) in-state OL ranked in top-350, and
3) Interest from other highly-rated OL
Early 2022 commitment
On August 17, 2020, the Tigers received their first OL commitment for 2022 from:
Lucas Taylor, OG, 4*, #300
2022 In-state OL prospects
Two (2) OL recruits for 2022 reside in Louisiana, and they are ranked in the top-350 nationally, as follows:
Will Campbell, OT, 4*, #52
Emery Jones, OG, 3*, #350
Other 2022 OL targets interested in LSU
In addition to the OL recruits listed above, LSU has offered numerous out-of-state targets for the 2022 class and received interest from the following:
Devon Campbell (TX), OG, 5*, #9
Zach Rice (VA), OT, 5*, #19
Kelvin Banks (TX), OT, 4*, #36
Tyler Booker (FL), OT, 4*, #93
Malik Agbo (WA), OT, 4*, #176
Qae'shon Sapp (GA), OT, unranked by 247
Other 2022 OL offered but limited interest so far
Many more out-of-state OL have already been offered by LSU, but I'm unaware of them being significantly interested at this time (not to say they definitively aren't interested, I'm just not aware of it):
Joe Brunner (WI), OT, 4*, #46
Josh Conerly (WA), OT, 4*, #60
Addison Nichols (GA), OT, 4*, #67
Kam Dewberry (TX), OT, 4*, #113
Julian Armella (FL), OT, 4*, #137
PJ Williams (TX), OT, 4*, #158
Tony Livingston (FL), OT, 4*, #165
Earnest Greene (CA), OG, 4*, #42
Carson Hinzman (WI), OG, 4*, #121
Dave Iull (WA), OG, 4*, #209
Potential 2022 OL class
Based on the facts and circumstances provided above, LSU has the potential to land a special OL class for 2022. I'm hopeful we are able to sign at least a four (4) lineman class that could look something like this:
1. Will Campbell (LA), OT, 4*, #52
2. Malik Agbo (WA), OT, 4*, #176
3. Lucas Taylor (AL), OG, 4*, #300
4. Emery Jones (LA), OG, 3*, #350
“Where’s the beef (only 1 of 22 commitments are OL)?”
A couple of points are mentioned almost every time this topic is mentioned on message boards; (i) last year’s class only having 3 HS commitments seemingly to support a theory that insufficient OL recruiting is becoming a trend. And almost without fail, (ii) LSU should be signing 4-5 of the highest-rated OL obtainable each cycle (which I completely agree with).
Before diving into the 2022 class, I offer my two cents on 2020-2021 OL recruiting. Most of the criticism for LSU’s OL recruiting centers around the quantity of commitments (I feel this criticism is fair). Regarding the quality of OL prospects from these classes, however, I believe coach O and Cregg should be commended for signing talented guys (Dumervil, Hill, Dellinger, & hopefully Leigh). The ESP for 2021 is less than a month away, so we should have a more definitive picture of this year’s OL class in short order. For those monitoring the situation closely, however, I recommend adjusting expectations for the quantity of 2021 commitments to three (3) OTs – Dellinger, Leigh and a graduate transfer (hopefully I'm wrong, & we sign a fourth).
2022 Recruiting
Even with LSU landing a number of talented OL recruits in 2020 and 2021, the consensus among fans is that recruiting for this position group needs to improve by annually signing more centers, guards and tackles. Such criticism may seem unjust and/or misplaced based on the top-tier classes (in terms of rank by recruiting services) Orgeron has brought in during his tenure at LSU. However, comparison of OL recruiting for LSU to Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Oregon, and Notre Dame during the previous four (4) seasons reflects a gap in the quality and quantity of OL classes.
That said, I see 2022 as the year for O & company to buck this trend by signing the type of class we are seeking. My optimism stems from a look ahead at OL targets in which I discovered the following:
1) Early commitment from 4* OG,
2) Two (2) in-state OL ranked in top-350, and
3) Interest from other highly-rated OL
Early 2022 commitment
On August 17, 2020, the Tigers received their first OL commitment for 2022 from:
Lucas Taylor, OG, 4*, #300
2022 In-state OL prospects
Two (2) OL recruits for 2022 reside in Louisiana, and they are ranked in the top-350 nationally, as follows:
Will Campbell, OT, 4*, #52
Emery Jones, OG, 3*, #350
Other 2022 OL targets interested in LSU
In addition to the OL recruits listed above, LSU has offered numerous out-of-state targets for the 2022 class and received interest from the following:
Devon Campbell (TX), OG, 5*, #9
Zach Rice (VA), OT, 5*, #19
Kelvin Banks (TX), OT, 4*, #36
Tyler Booker (FL), OT, 4*, #93
Malik Agbo (WA), OT, 4*, #176
Qae'shon Sapp (GA), OT, unranked by 247
Other 2022 OL offered but limited interest so far
Many more out-of-state OL have already been offered by LSU, but I'm unaware of them being significantly interested at this time (not to say they definitively aren't interested, I'm just not aware of it):
Joe Brunner (WI), OT, 4*, #46
Josh Conerly (WA), OT, 4*, #60
Addison Nichols (GA), OT, 4*, #67
Kam Dewberry (TX), OT, 4*, #113
Julian Armella (FL), OT, 4*, #137
PJ Williams (TX), OT, 4*, #158
Tony Livingston (FL), OT, 4*, #165
Earnest Greene (CA), OG, 4*, #42
Carson Hinzman (WI), OG, 4*, #121
Dave Iull (WA), OG, 4*, #209
Potential 2022 OL class
Based on the facts and circumstances provided above, LSU has the potential to land a special OL class for 2022. I'm hopeful we are able to sign at least a four (4) lineman class that could look something like this:
1. Will Campbell (LA), OT, 4*, #52
2. Malik Agbo (WA), OT, 4*, #176
3. Lucas Taylor (AL), OG, 4*, #300
4. Emery Jones (LA), OG, 3*, #350
This post was edited on 11/20/20 at 6:03 am
Posted on 11/20/20 at 5:25 am to dwright369
Early 2022 commitment Lucas Taylor, OG, 4*, #300
On August 17, 2020, the Tigers received their first OL commitment for 2022 from:
2022 In-state OL prospects
Two (2) OL recruits for 2022 reside in Louisiana, and they are ranked in the top-350 nationally, as follows:
Will Campbell, OT, 4*, #52
Emery Jones, OG, 3*, #350
Other 2022 OL targets interested in LSU
Devon Campbell (TX), OG, 5*, #9
Zach Rice (VA), OT, 5*, #19
Kelvin Banks (TX), OT, 4*, #36
Tyler Booker (FL), OT, 4*, #93
Malik Agbo (WA), OT, 4*, #176
Qae'shon Sapp (GA), OT, unranked by 247
Other 2022 OL offered but limited interest so far
Joe Brunner (WI), OT, 4*, #46
Josh Conerly (WA), OT, 4*, #60
Addison Nichols (GA), OT, 4*, #67
Kam Dewberry (TX), OT, 4*, #113
Julian Armella (FL), OT, 4*, #137
PJ Williams (TX), OT, 4*, #158
Tony Livingston (FL), OT, 4*, #165
Earnest Greene (CA), OG, 4*, #42
Carson Hinzman (WI), OG, 4*, #121
Dave Iull (WA), OG, 4*, #209
On August 17, 2020, the Tigers received their first OL commitment for 2022 from:
2022 In-state OL prospects
Two (2) OL recruits for 2022 reside in Louisiana, and they are ranked in the top-350 nationally, as follows:
Will Campbell, OT, 4*, #52
Emery Jones, OG, 3*, #350
Other 2022 OL targets interested in LSU
Devon Campbell (TX), OG, 5*, #9
Zach Rice (VA), OT, 5*, #19
Kelvin Banks (TX), OT, 4*, #36
Tyler Booker (FL), OT, 4*, #93
Malik Agbo (WA), OT, 4*, #176
Qae'shon Sapp (GA), OT, unranked by 247
Other 2022 OL offered but limited interest so far
Joe Brunner (WI), OT, 4*, #46
Josh Conerly (WA), OT, 4*, #60
Addison Nichols (GA), OT, 4*, #67
Kam Dewberry (TX), OT, 4*, #113
Julian Armella (FL), OT, 4*, #137
PJ Williams (TX), OT, 4*, #158
Tony Livingston (FL), OT, 4*, #165
Earnest Greene (CA), OG, 4*, #42
Carson Hinzman (WI), OG, 4*, #121
Dave Iull (WA), OG, 4*, #209
This post was edited on 11/20/20 at 8:18 am
Posted on 11/20/20 at 5:38 am to dwright369
It’s always “next year U”. Now it’s “next year OL”.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 5:54 am to dwright369
quote:
I recommend adjusting expectations for the quantity of 2021 commitments to three (3) OTs – Dellinger, Leigh and a graduate transfer
That's really two, not three. The grad transfer will be gone when the 2021 class is expected to be manning the trenches.
Example: we signed two grad transfers as part of the 2018 class - D Lewis and B Traore. This is the year that 2018 is expected to carry the team; they are third year guys. Where are Traore and Lewis? Gone. Lewis played last night for the Seahawks. That's great. but it doesn't help LSU.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 5:59 am to dwright369
LSU continues to whiff on 5* top tier talent at the OL position. Unless they real in Leigh this year I have zero hope we can break that streak.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 6:03 am to Penrod
I agree with you, thanks for pointing this out.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 6:29 am to dwright369
I like the optimism but even if 2022 looks great and we get those guys, they will be freshmen and honestly will have enormous growing pains for a year or two
So now we have to wait for basically three years.
Coaches need to pull talent this year or we need to find a new online coach that can recruit and coach.
Simple as that. He has missed too many times on the recruiting trail.
So now we have to wait for basically three years.
Coaches need to pull talent this year or we need to find a new online coach that can recruit and coach.
Simple as that. He has missed too many times on the recruiting trail.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 6:34 am to Folsom
I thought we were last year U?
Posted on 11/20/20 at 6:42 am to Captain Crown
Hahaha it’s become like your second job
This post was edited on 11/20/20 at 6:43 am
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:00 am to Penrod
quote:
Example: we signed two grad transfers as part of the 2018 class - D Lewis and B Traore.
Neither one of those guys were grad transfers
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:09 am to Penrod
quote:Agreed. Transfers and JUCO are great for filling holes or making the 5 better, but it creates holes down the road also. Considering it takes, at least, 1.5 years to get even the best OL exceling at a SEC level it will catch up with you eventually. FYI- next year is when it might really catch up with us if Cregg is unable to accelerate Dumervil and Hill's development by 0.5 - 1 years. ETA: I'm extremely and very sad and mad to say we can no longer count on Rosenthal being here, or keeping pace. His head is elsewhere.
That's really two, not three. The grad transfer will be gone when the 2021 class is expected to be manning the trenches.
Example: we signed two grad transfers as part of the 2018 class - D Lewis and B Traore. This is the year that 2018 is expected to carry the team; they are third year guys. Where are Traore and Lewis? Gone. Lewis played last night for the Seahawks. That's great. but it doesn't help LSU.
quote:At this moment (it is recruiting after all), I'm expecting Leigh, Dellinger, and Cade with a very good shot at Makaneole. They might make room for a project... but I don't see many out there worth a spot on the 25 though.
I recommend adjusting expectations for the quantity of 2021 commitments to three (3) OTs – Dellinger, Leigh and a graduate transfer
Related Side Note: ASSUMING Ty Crawford gets his associate at JUCO, we'll be going after him in, maybe- depending on academics, the 2022 class. As an OT.
This post was edited on 11/20/20 at 7:13 am
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:17 am to Lester Earl
Yeah, I believe D. Lewis was a JUCO guy. Not sure about Traore
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:25 am to dwright369
quote:both were JUCO. If I remember correctly both also had 3 to play 2, and both played 2 in 2.
Yeah, I believe D. Lewis was a JUCO guy. Not sure about Traore
For the record, Lewis was a no-brainer. After day 1 in practice/drills, and I mean day 1 literally, he was penciled in as a soon to be starter. If you are going to get GTs/JUCOs, he is the prototype- body developed most of the way (he was very strong coming in), natural traits in place (such as agility), and isn't going through the motions.
Traore, not so much. He especially lacked in inherent/natural skills, including lower body. Traore helped alot and he contributed what we needed. But too many of those and you find yourself in trouble. It took a year of S&C and training just to get him serviceable and able to provide (much needed) depth.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:26 am to TigerHuck
I agree with you about being in a time crunch for talent on the OL. No debating this IMO.
I’m not near as certain on whether or not his job should be in jeopardy over recruiting. No doubt, this is important part of the job. But so is coaching and development, and he’s coming off a year in which his unit won the Joe Moore award, and several guys were drafted (2 of which became day 1 starters in NFL).
Throw in the potential damage to recruiting from USA Today article, and it’s probably going to be difficult to place the entire blame at Cregg’s feet.
Just my two cents, though.
I’m not near as certain on whether or not his job should be in jeopardy over recruiting. No doubt, this is important part of the job. But so is coaching and development, and he’s coming off a year in which his unit won the Joe Moore award, and several guys were drafted (2 of which became day 1 starters in NFL).
Throw in the potential damage to recruiting from USA Today article, and it’s probably going to be difficult to place the entire blame at Cregg’s feet.
Just my two cents, though.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:28 am to Folsom
quote:
It’s always “next year U”. Now it’s “next year OL”.
More talented instate OL next year, but this year we had writers predicting us to land some combination of brockermyer twins, Latham, Leigh, Byrd and Dellinger in our class. We only landed one of those so far and only have a shot at landing 1 more. I’m not sure what it’s going to take, but Craig needs to prove he can land top guys before I will believe in us landing an elite class
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:30 am to I20goon
Agree with all of this, I20goon. Good post, thanks for sharing.
The bit on Ty Crawford is interesting for sure as I remember us recruiting him last year. That could be a promising pickup, as I remember that dude being a physical monster/mauler type guy.
The bit on Ty Crawford is interesting for sure as I remember us recruiting him last year. That could be a promising pickup, as I remember that dude being a physical monster/mauler type guy.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:31 am to Captain Crown
Thanks Cap, much appreciated!!
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:35 am to adambomb
Haha, I’m almost embarrassed to admit how much time I spend following LSU sports, adambomb.
It’s great to be passionate about it, but there’s no doubt it can become a black hole of a time waster for me.
But, it’s fun interacting with folks on the message boards for the most part. Anyway, thanks for posting dude. I appreciate it!!
It’s great to be passionate about it, but there’s no doubt it can become a black hole of a time waster for me.
But, it’s fun interacting with folks on the message boards for the most part. Anyway, thanks for posting dude. I appreciate it!!
Posted on 11/20/20 at 7:43 am to I20goon
Gotcha, thanks I20goon.
I haven’t paid close attention to OL play in the past, so I can’t speak to his game while at LSU. However, I’ve been impressed how he became a day 1 starter in Seattle, and how about him taking over at center last night with Pocic out bc of a concussion!?!
He struggled early (1st quarter) last night, as he had at least one holding penalty and an errant snap. But for the most part, thought he did a good job considering that’s not an easy transition to make (particularly in less than a week between games)!
I haven’t paid close attention to OL play in the past, so I can’t speak to his game while at LSU. However, I’ve been impressed how he became a day 1 starter in Seattle, and how about him taking over at center last night with Pocic out bc of a concussion!?!
He struggled early (1st quarter) last night, as he had at least one holding penalty and an errant snap. But for the most part, thought he did a good job considering that’s not an easy transition to make (particularly in less than a week between games)!
Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:01 am to bugafor6
I’m with you, bugafor6.
It’s definitely frustrating to struggle at the same position over-and-over. And, I also am unaware of what the problem is exactly or what it’s going to take to get it straightened out.
I will say this - if Cregg hits on T. Leigh, it’s going to be a huge success that will go a long, long way in his job security at LSU. Not only will it be a big success as an isolated event, but for me it will serve as an indicator that he’s trending in the right direction for recruiting “high-quality” OL, because Dumervil and Hill were good ones in 2020 but Leigh and Dellinger in 2021 are next level prospects.
With that aspect of OL recruiting trending in the right direction, hopefully 2022 will be a year when he takes another step forward by landing an entire class of “high-quality” OL (4-5 players w/ variety of OT/OG/OCs)
It’s definitely frustrating to struggle at the same position over-and-over. And, I also am unaware of what the problem is exactly or what it’s going to take to get it straightened out.
I will say this - if Cregg hits on T. Leigh, it’s going to be a huge success that will go a long, long way in his job security at LSU. Not only will it be a big success as an isolated event, but for me it will serve as an indicator that he’s trending in the right direction for recruiting “high-quality” OL, because Dumervil and Hill were good ones in 2020 but Leigh and Dellinger in 2021 are next level prospects.
With that aspect of OL recruiting trending in the right direction, hopefully 2022 will be a year when he takes another step forward by landing an entire class of “high-quality” OL (4-5 players w/ variety of OT/OG/OCs)
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