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when pricing products/services do you prefer all inclusive pricing or base

Posted on 7/30/26 at 10:56 am
Posted by dillpickleLSU
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Oct 2005
26586 posts
Posted on 7/30/26 at 10:56 am
Example a whole home generator.

All inclusive advertisement that includes CO detector upgrades, surge protector, panel modifications.

OR

a base price that only includes the generator, foundation, permits, transfer switch and tie ins and you get smoked with 2k of extras at the end.

The reason I ask this, is I just did my own whole home install. I’m trying to decide how to advertise doing them in the future now that I know what’s going to come up at the end. I already pre did the panel modifications, I was pretty sure I needed a surge protector so I had it on hand and was in the process of installing it. When I went through the checklist on CO detectors, I only checked the hallways, which had them. I missed that the 4 bedrooms were smoke only and the inspector made me go out and buy 300 dollars worth of detectors.

Now that I know what the labor takes, I see Generac ads for a 22kW installed starting at 13k, I’m fairly certain no one gets by for 13k.

TIA for feedback
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 3:05 pm
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:34 am to
Mine was 10K all in with ATS, new MDP, smoke and CO2 detectors, start up and 1 year service agreement. Not including propane utility. 22KW, 2 yrs ago

13K sounds reasonable now. Are you a licensed electrician? If you are not, no offense, but I wouldn’t want you installing my generator
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 11:35 am
Posted by dillpickleLSU
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Oct 2005
26586 posts
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:49 am to
Yes I am licensed.
Posted by dillpickleLSU
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Oct 2005
26586 posts
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:55 am to
Yeah the 13k might be right because you can buy a 22kw with switch for 4999 on Costco…

Where I’m conflicted is offering a smaller 18kw Briggs and Stratton is going to be more like 14-14,500 because they are more expensive units even with dealer pricing but their warranty is superior at 7 years.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

they are more expensive units even with dealer pricing but their warranty is superior at 7 years.
you should decide what your market is, and where the volume should be. If it’s slapping a 22kw at every house in a DSLD subdivision, consider that 7 years is far beyond the avg homeowner stay in those houses. In other words, the warranty is likely to be someone else’s problem. Also the air cooled units are pretty simple, and they generally don’t get a lot of hours. Yes they can break down but regular service would be more valuable than a long warranty, to me anyway.

Consider pricing in a service agreement (2x a year?) and sell the unit that people want to buy. That unit is a 22kw generac
Posted by dillpickleLSU
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Oct 2005
26586 posts
Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:04 pm to
I have a friend who has installed for a while and he swears the Generacs are a pain when there is an issue and parts can take months. I’m focusing on my immediate neighborhood and going to throw in 3 years of annual maintenance.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:06 pm to
just throwing stuff at you to consider. The electrician I used has a warehouse full of 22kw units and shelves of full of parts. That’s what you are competing with
Posted by dillpickleLSU
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Oct 2005
26586 posts
Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:09 pm to
Yeah, you know the generacs that are installed are really clean installs so they must regulate that somehow, for the most part. The dealer installing Cummins in my neighborhood does a horrendous job, I even noticed code violations on some.

Here is mine:

LINK
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 12:14 pm
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
24307 posts
Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:11 pm to
Personally, I want to know what I am all in for when I look on a website. I hate being nickle and dimes for extras. That said, I anticipate these fees and always ask the questions.

So do you advertise with the low price and an asterisk, or advertise all in pricing before you have a chance to see the home setup?

Dunno. I'm leaning towards advertising the low price to get the consumer interested. Most of advertising is getting that first call.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:48 pm to
I'd want a base price with an option adder for the other sh*t.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
39216 posts
Posted on 7/31/26 at 1:31 pm to
I agree that i would want a base price as well. I may be looking for one for my mother in the near future. I suppose I need to research all of the new codes as things have changed since bought my general 10 years ago
Posted by dillpickleLSU
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Oct 2005
26586 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:08 pm to
Are you in Houma? I heard Lafourche requires an extra emergency stop on the transfer switch box.

My house was built in 2023 but Ascension parish was still on 2020 NEC. I had to seperate grounds and neutrals in my main and add surge protection.

The only thing that caught me off guard was only my hallways had the combination smoke/co detectors. I didn’t realize my bedrooms were all smoke only and so I had to spend 280 on 4 detectors.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
39216 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 11:02 pm to
I am in Houma but my mother's house is in Slidell
Posted by Spankum
The Sip
Member since Jan 2007
63270 posts
Posted on 8/5/26 at 11:17 pm to
quote:

when pricing products/services do you prefer all inclusive pricing or base


No surprises for me. I like turn-key pricing. If there are options, quote multiple different packages.

I am always pleasantly suprised when I have a large job done and they don’t try to upsell me halfway through the project.

Once you make your mind to spend the money on a high-dollar project, you don’t want to have to worry about dollars any more.
Posted by LanierSpots
Gulf of America / Sarasota FL
Member since Sep 2010
71787 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 7:05 am to
I have been thinking about one for 4 years since i have been in this new house. I think the price here is about 13K as well for a Generac. A few of my neighbors have them,


My only issue is, we live about a half mile from a substation and through all the big storms we have had in this house so far, zero power outages. Zero. I know thats probably not a real reason but it keeps me from pulling the trigger on taking 13K out of my savings


Posted by Spankum
The Sip
Member since Jan 2007
63270 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 9:56 am to
quote:

we live about a half mile from a substation and through all the big storms we have had in this house so far, zero power outages


Well, if you have lived in the house for 4 years and haven’t had a power outage, I think that’s plenty of justification for not installing a generator.!
Posted by LanierSpots
Gulf of America / Sarasota FL
Member since Sep 2010
71787 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 10:58 am to
quote:

Well, if you have lived in the house for 4 years and haven’t had a power outage, I think that’s plenty of justification for not installing a generator.!



And we have went through some very big storms during that time. Im 4 miles east of Siesta Key as the crow flies. I know its one of those things you need when you need it and Id like to have one because I probably wont move from here for a while. Maybe my lifetime.
Posted by dillpickleLSU
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Oct 2005
26586 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 8:05 pm to
I ended up spending about 8k all in. I was going to do a portable generator and build a pad and get an enclosed and hard pipe it to the gas line and keep it plugged it, and the expenses just all added up.

The issue is for someone who can’t do anything themselves the 8k doesn’t account for my labor to do the foundation and run the gas piping and markup. I had to seperate the grounds and neutrals in my panel, add a surge protector and replace 4 smoke detectors. Make drawings and apply for the permits .

I did think of one workaround for a person who wants it cheaper and that would be to bypass the automatic transfer switch and use an interlock with a 70 amp breaker. The downside is you’d have to set the generator to manual operation and manually throw the interlock and manually press the start button. Also you’d have to manually run the generator every so often for the alternator to charge the battery. This set up would save at least 3k and it wouldn’t require a permit.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50744 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 9:06 pm to
I can tell you the surest way to make sure you don’t have an extended outage is to spend a bunch of money on a generator LOL. I think mine has like ten hours on it in 2 years and most of that is the weekly exercise
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