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Termites in walls (update)

Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:36 am
Posted by TDsngumbo
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:36 am
I have an outdoor detached structure that has termites pretty bad in one wall and some damage in the other three walls. Terminix is supposed to come out today but since this structure (on a slab) is adjacent to a wooden deck/porch that was built directly on the ground, I've been told in the past that they won't include this particular structure in my warranty so I expect to have to pay for them to retreat this structure.

If the cost is too high, I'm considering doing it myself.

I've already purchased Taurus SC to do a perimeter treatment and I plan on ripping up the deck porch floor to treat the ground beneath it and rebuild it in a way that it's not resting directly on the ground.

What is the best way to treat the existing termites? I've read about the Termidor foam but my walls are already gutted so I don't think the foam will do much there. Can I simply spray the Taurus SC onto the studs and top/bottom plates then close them back in? What is my best course of action here?

TIA
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 8:16 pm
Posted by TheCallOut
Member since Dec 2019
7 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:40 am to
This again? How much attention do you need about having termites in your rundown shack?
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41536 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:41 am to
I'm asking for help from those who may know more than me, not looking for attention, dick. The problem is worse than I originally thought and I know there are those here who know more than me on the subject. But keep up your shtick.


eta: hang on, 6 posts (two of which are attacking ME) and only since December 2019 but yet you know all about my previous posts. did you forget to sign out of your alter before commenting? your post history definitely points to you being an alter.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 10:45 am
Posted by TheCallOut
Member since Dec 2019
7 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:48 am to
Maybe you should just tear down your shack and move in a double wide!
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
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41536 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:56 am to
I see you're as wise as your alter management suggests.

Posted by baldona
Florida
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:45 pm to
Termites die easily, so that's not a problem. You need to get some poison in the ground all around though so you make sure they kill the colony. They will likely just pump into your walls and then they carry it throughout the nest.

Did you not ask how much the treatment would cost? I'm not sure how much they charge, it's going to take them all of about 10 minutes or less to do though. I'm sure they'll want to charge you like $400-800. The low end of that is probably worth paying for just to have it done.
Posted by SSpaniel
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:59 pm to
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TheCallOut

Who the frick is this guy?
Posted by 2 Jugs
Saint Amant
Member since Feb 2018
1843 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 1:06 pm to
Climb down off of the ledge and calm down. I have fought termites on my property since the flood.

If you can identify every entrance point/tunnel, destroy it. Termites need water and if they can't get water they will die. No moisture in the affected area means no termites. Once all tunnels are destroyed and the moisture is removed, the termites can't live.

If you think that there is enough damage then you have to decide where to open up the wall to inspect the damage and decide on a plan to repair.

Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41536 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 1:13 pm to
Terminix guy just left. Says it should be covered, with emphasis on the word "should". It's not up to him and his manager needs to make the final call. He did explain to me, though, that since the bait stations they put out surround the structure that it is covered. So I am taking that with a grain of salt since I'm still expecting to be royally fricked by Terminix with this.

Hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised when this is all over.

He told me what they'll do is come out and spray down the insides of the walls real good with Termidor to make sure the colony dies off. I forgot to ask if they could also drill into the slab in order to treat the soil underneath. If they won't, I may do that myself with some Taurus SC (Termidor generic) just to get extra peace of mind.

The moisture in the area is almost impossible to avoid since my yard is low. Unless we experience a month or more of no rain, the soil there will be moist.
Posted by 2 Jugs
Saint Amant
Member since Feb 2018
1843 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 2:04 pm to
I am not talking about moisture in the ground. I am talking about moisture in the structure. Once you figure out where they are coming in and stop them there you have to make sure there are no leaks with water intrusion to the structure.

Termites can not live without moisture.

If the deck is built to such a way that you can't see the slab of your structure, that needs to be addressed. You need to be able to see if a termite tunnel is being formed.

You will never get rid of termites on your property, you will just need to be diligent in managing them.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41536 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

If the deck is built to such a way that you can't see the slab of your structure, that needs to be addressed. You need to be able to see if a termite tunnel is being formed.

Yes, tell that to the dumb frick who built it right up against the slab before I bought the house. Shouldn't surprise me, though. Everything else he built was half-assed also. If he ever comes back around here wanting to visit I'm going to tell him to kick rocks.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:30 am to
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I've been told in the past that they won't include this particular structure in my warranty so I expect to have to pay for them to retreat this structure.
It is my understanding that they won’t include anything that already has termite damage. Read the fine print.

Went through something very similar to this with my mom’s house not long after the flood. She thought she was getting their “guarantee,” but they were just selling her a line of BS by being very cagey with their wording.
Posted by FlyingTiger69
Member since Dec 2018
200 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:19 am to
You buy a shack for $50k what did you expect?
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41536 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:16 pm to
Well they won’t cover the damage since the structure is adjacent to the wooden deck that was built directly on the ground by the jackass previous owner. I remember that they told me that when I started the contract but only the damage isn’t covered - retreatment is still covered. So I’m not too terribly upset about that.

The damage will probably run up towards $3,000 if I do the work myself and I’d figure around $5,000 if I pay someone else to come to it for me. One entire wall needs to be replaced in addition to 5 other studs and all the insulation/Sheetrock on four walls total. Not a break-me kind of figure but certainly don’t want to have to pay it.

I am very, very satisfied with Terminix’s decision to come out, at no cost, and COMPLETELY spray down the entire structure inside and out. In addition to that, they drilled through the slab in there along the walls and pumped termidor into the soil beneath, same thing on the front porch of the main house, under the carport along the home, and on the driveway along the structure that is infested. They also trench treated around the main home and the structure with termites. They spent the entire day here today. Very professional.

They made sure to go above and beyond in order to protect the house and to kill the existing colony(s) in/under the detached structure since if the house gets termites, they are on the hook for that damage. They told me it was both in my and their best interest that they went above and beyond like they did.

They used 68 gallons of termidor today. All at no cost. I can’t say I’m dissatisfied and will definitely be paying my annual service contract each year instead of giving it up like I almost did this past summer!
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 8:21 pm
Posted by 2 Jugs
Saint Amant
Member since Feb 2018
1843 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:54 am to
Glad it came out ok for you.

A friend of mine in the pest control business got out of the termite service. His parents(both lawyers) and he said that the termite contracts are worthless. There is always a loophole.

I called him when I found termites after finishing repairs after the flood. I was borderline paranoid that I was going to have rip out a whole corner of my kitchen wall. He calmed me down and after about 30 minutes of termite treatment 101 I felt a lot better. I did have to open it up to make some repairs but it was minimal damage and easy to repair.

He stopped by the next day with 1 gallon of Talstar and I have been systematically spraying all structures on my property.

There are approximately 14 termite colonies on 1 acre of land in south Louisiana. Being diligent in your treatment and inspection of all wooden structures is key to making sure termites cause no damage. I have found that termites want damage any treated lumber but will use it as a nest if there is untreated wood in the area. From now on, any lumber used should be "pressure treated" lumber or sprayed with termite treatment before being installed.

Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41536 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:33 pm to
quote:

From now on, any lumber used should be "pressure treated" lumber

I have always wondered why this wouldn't be a standard building code. I would gladly pay the extra cost of a home constructed with treated lumber for the peace of mind.
Posted by Hankg
Member since Feb 2011
631 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:23 pm to
FYI. By treating around your house/ shed Terminix did not kill the colony.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41536 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 7:53 am to
They also drilled through the slab inside the structure and treated beneath it. Short a blowtorch i think they did everything they could do.

What would you have had them do?
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 7:54 am
Posted by 2 Jugs
Saint Amant
Member since Feb 2018
1843 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:18 am to
What he means is that they do not know where the colony is. They only treated the ground and that will spoil the soil and deter them from using that ground to tunnel to the surface.

The termites will just move somewhere else on your property.

You mentioned earlier about having bait stations. I have put random pieces of wood around my property just to test if termites are in the area and find the wood.

Do you notice any swarms around May/June?
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41536 posts
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:55 am to
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They only treated the ground and that will spoil the soil and deter them from using that ground to tunnel to the surface.

The termites will just move somewhere else on your property.

That’s not how termidor works. Termidor is a non-repellant so termites don’t detect it. They still tunnel through and live in the soil that’s been treated with it. The chemical gets on them and then they transfer it to the rest of the colony. The colony eventually does off within 90 days. It’s a slow kill.

You are never supposed to use a repellant for termites because it’ll just make them move to another location. Many people use diesel around the perimeter of their home for termites but that’s the worse thing you can use because if you already have them in your home, they can’t get back into the soil so they move back further into your home, causing more damage. Termidor or Taurus SC (the generic version of Termidor) is the best termite treatment known to the industry.

If the soil around their entry points has been treated properly with termidor or Taurus SC, they will have to travel through the treatment and that’s when their days become limited.

I’ve never noticed a swarm before.
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