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Stickers....MSM in the Fall and also the following Spring?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 10:44 am
Posted on 8/30/23 at 10:44 am
I'm determined to get rid of these damn stickers in my yard. From what little research I've done, I want to make sure I'm doing this right.
So, this Fall, I need to apply a pre-emergent like MSM in order to keep the stickers from germinating, and then apply a pre-emergent again the following Spring?
Am I right or wrong? Can't have my ole beagle dog and kids getting stickers in their feet.
So, this Fall, I need to apply a pre-emergent like MSM in order to keep the stickers from germinating, and then apply a pre-emergent again the following Spring?
Am I right or wrong? Can't have my ole beagle dog and kids getting stickers in their feet.
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Posted on 8/30/23 at 10:46 am to Arkapigdiesel
I don't believe MSM is a pre-emergent.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 11:06 am to Arkapigdiesel
Yes - MSM is not a pre-emergent herbicide, it’s a post emergent.
The two most widely discussed pre-emergents discussed on this board, Prodiamine and Dimension are not so effective against lawn burweed. The recommended pre-emergents are Simazine or Isoxaben. Simazine though not expensive, the smallest amount you can buy is 2 1/2 gallons.
Yes - lawn burweed being a cool season weed, you need to apply the proper pre-emergent this fall, with a follow up about 2 months later.
Couple articles on lawn burweed (“sticker weed”) control by LSU AgCenter and Clemson. Follow their recommendations on control.
LINK
LINK
The two most widely discussed pre-emergents discussed on this board, Prodiamine and Dimension are not so effective against lawn burweed. The recommended pre-emergents are Simazine or Isoxaben. Simazine though not expensive, the smallest amount you can buy is 2 1/2 gallons.
Yes - lawn burweed being a cool season weed, you need to apply the proper pre-emergent this fall, with a follow up about 2 months later.
Couple articles on lawn burweed (“sticker weed”) control by LSU AgCenter and Clemson. Follow their recommendations on control.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 8/30/23 at 11:44 am to CrawDude
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CrawDude
Bud, appreciate ya. I think in between your recommendations and those LSUAg articles, I can get this figured out. I'm gonna hook my boom sprayer up and go to work on my back yard here in the not so distant future.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:14 pm to Arkapigdiesel
If I'm reading those articles correctly, I should be doing this:
1. A pre-emergent in late September, early October.
2. Hit it again with another round of pre-emergent two months later.
3. Then, hit it with a post-emergent in the dead of winter.
Am I thinking right?
1. A pre-emergent in late September, early October.
2. Hit it again with another round of pre-emergent two months later.
3. Then, hit it with a post-emergent in the dead of winter.
Am I thinking right?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:54 pm to Arkapigdiesel
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If I'm reading those articles correctly, I should be doing this: 1. A pre-emergent in late September, early October. 2. Hit it again with another round of pre-emergent two months later. 3. Then, hit it with a post-emergent in the dead of winter. Am I thinking right?
Yes - you are thinking right.
For those sticker weeds seeds that “escape” the pre-emergent herbicide, if you can spray them with one of the post-emergent herbicides recommended, such MSM Turf, Celsius or Fertilome Weed Free Zone, when the the plants are seedlings, they look like little parsley plants, you’ll get good post emergent control. Start looking for them in Dec-Feb. If you wait until the plants are larger and begin forming stickers (= seeds) they are much harder kill.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:08 pm to CrawDude
You think I need to wait two months to hit with the 2nd round of pre-emergent? Reason why I ask, is because I read another article and it says to hit again in two weeks.
If I wait two months from my first treatment, I'll already be in winter for the 2nd pre-emergent treatment.
If I wait two months from my first treatment, I'll already be in winter for the 2nd pre-emergent treatment.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:51 pm to Arkapigdiesel
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You think I need to wait two months to hit with the 2nd round of pre-emergent? Reason why I ask, is because I read another article and it says to hit again in two weeks. If I wait two months from my first treatment, I'll already be in winter for the 2nd pre-emergent treatment.
No, not 2 weeks - maybe for certain a post emergent herbicides but not for a pre-emergent herbicide.
Whatever pre-emergent herbicide you choose, Simazine or Isoxaben, follow the label directions. If you choose to use Simazine, if ronk enters this thread he can better guide you on when to make your Simazine applications as it’s one his go to herbicides for winter weed control.
It’s fine making the 2nd application of pre-emergent in the winter - remember it’s a winter weed we are talking about, their seeds germinate at cool/cold soil temperatures.
Another article from the Univ of FL LINK
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:13 am to CrawDude
Paging Ronk.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 1:37 pm to Arkapigdiesel
Poa, which is one of the biggest winter weeds, germinates at 70 degrees. You want to try to bookend that. Get it down about two weeks before it hits 70 and then about 6 weeks after that. It could be something like first week of October and the third week of November. Obviously a warmer or cooler fall could move those up or back.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 1:40 pm to ronk
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Poa
What's that?
Also, when do I do the post-emergent, and how many times?
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 8/31/23 at 2:26 pm to Arkapigdiesel
I had terrible stickers in my yard 2 years ago in central Arkansas. Applied this pre-emegent when soil temps hit 70 LINK
Applied another round when soil temp hit 50.
In the Spring used prodiamine and haven't had sticker one since.
Applied another round when soil temp hit 50.
In the Spring used prodiamine and haven't had sticker one since.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:51 pm to CAT
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I had terrible stickers in my yard 2 years ago in central Arkansas. Applied this pre-emegent when soil temps hit 70 LINK
Applied another round when soil temp hit 50.
In the Spring used prodiamine and haven't had sticker one since.
That's the info I needed. I'm in Central Arkansas also
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:02 pm to Arkapigdiesel
Poa is a winter grassy weed. Very prevalent in the south. Each plant drops 250,000 seeds. Dies with heat but can make a yard shitty for 3-4 months.
I’m not sure the post em question but you can spot treat as needed.
I’m not sure the post em question but you can spot treat as needed.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:04 pm to CAT
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I had terrible stickers in my yard 2 years ago in central Arkansas. Applied this pre-emegent when soil temps hit 70 LINK Applied another round when soil temp hit 50. In the Spring used prodiamine and haven't had sticker one since
The dithiopyr is the Dimension pre-emergent herbicide. I use Dithiopyr, Prodiamine and Specticle in my own lawn, and though I don’t have a serious lawn burweed issue, I’ve not seen much efficacy of Dithiopyr (Dimension) or Prodiamine on lawn burweed in my lawn, nor do the land grant universities list them as recommended pre-emergents for lawn burweed. Maybe they work better against lawn burweed in central AR than south LA?
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:49 pm to Arkapigdiesel
Alright, one more sticker question....if I burn the stickers with a blow torch, will that keep them from coming back next Spring?
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:12 pm to Arkapigdiesel
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Alright, one more sticker question....if I burn the stickers with a blow torch, will that keep them from coming back next Spring?
Anything that destroys the seeds (stickers) to prevent them from germinating this coming winter will prevent it from coming back.
I’m sure burning them at high enough, and long enough, heat will do that, but I don’t know the specifics. If you feel it’s practical for your lawn, give it a try. Seems using a proper pre-emergent herbicide would be an easier approach, but probably not a fun as taking your anger out on them and blowtorching them.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:12 pm to Arkapigdiesel
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Alright, one more sticker question....if I burn the stickers with a blow torch, will that keep them from coming back next Spring?
Anything that destroys the seeds (stickers) to prevent them from germinating this coming winter will prevent it from coming back.
I’m sure burning them at high enough, and long enough, heat will do that, but I don’t know the specifics. If you feel it’s practical for your lawn, give it a try. Seems using a proper pre-emergent herbicide would be an easier approach, but probably not a fun as taking your anger out on them and blowtorching them.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:23 am to Arkapigdiesel
I just ordered some Simazine. If I apply it the latter part of next week (October 25th) should I be ok?
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:49 am to Arkapigdiesel
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I just ordered some Simazine. If I apply it the latter part of next week (October 25th) should I be ok?
Sure, just remember to make a second application about 2 months later, late Dec/early Jan, as Simazine breaks down and loses its efficacy a little quicker than some of the other pre-emergent herbicides. And of course it needs to be watered in to the soil soon after application for it to do it’s job.
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