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Spray foam attic insulation vs regular blown in cellulose (loose) insulation?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:19 am
I’m in need of more/better insulation for my attic as we just removed some trees that provided shade from the western sun and we can feel the difference in the temperature inside. We have the conventional blown in cellulose stuff but it’s pretty old and has settled a lot. I was getting quotes for getting some more blown in on top of what we have but one of the contractors told me about the spray foam variety that is applied to the underside of the roof, and they remove the old callouses stuff. It’s a lot more expensive but I like the idea of not having all the crap on the floor of the attic and apparently the foam is way more efficient effective at keeping heat out of the living space. Does anyone here have knowledge/experience using the spray foam? What are your thoughts?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:32 am to otowntiger
Personally, I don't like the idea of spray foam right below the roof deck...if a leak happens it could go undetected for a while and you now have a rot situation. I would do a radiant barrier just below the roof deck and insulate the backside of the ceiling with Rockwool. I'd also make sure attic has adequate ventilation if its not an air conditioned space
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:00 am to otowntiger
I used 2” thick spray foam on the attic floor just to seal off the ceiling penetrations from ceiling fans, lights, etc. Then blown cellulose on top to give the desired R - rating. I also used reflective sheeting on the underside of the roof decking.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:08 am to otowntiger
quote:Got it at our old house and kind of regretted it. It makes it hard for anyone to do work on your house, especially, electricians. It's really not the best idea for older homes, though I can see it having a place in new construction.
Does anyone here have knowledge/experience using the spray foam? What are your thoughts?
Go with the tried and true. Nothing wrong with blown in.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:20 pm to otowntiger
My house was built in the early sixties and I had my roof deck spray foamed about 10 years ago. It has been a learning experience but I’m still happy with the results. We had it done instead of new ductwork and replacing existing fiberglass batts. Few things to consider. The permanent seal highlights the amount of moisture in the house due to the reduced amount the A/C will run. To combat this we upgraded the system to a 16sear multistage unit with an additional dehumidifier. It was time to replace anyway but it allowed us to downsize a step. The point about wiring or doing work in the attic is also a good point but only relevant if you intend to do that sort of work.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:48 pm to otowntiger
If it matters/you care, spray foam is going to void all manufacturers warranty for your roof. Just something to think about. How often are people using their warranty…rarely but in the chance you do…you won’t win
Posted on 4/30/25 at 11:27 am to otowntiger
I have open cell spray foam throughout my house. There is no question in my mind that it is better in the real world than just about every other type of insulation in terms of comfort and performance. Despite what the industry pushes, R-value is only a part of the story.
However, the termite people don't like it. Since I have an existing termite bond there has been no problem yet, but I think new installations are having a tough time locally with the termite companies. You should look into that before you do anything at your house.
If I built again I would use spray foam again. If I ever build again, I will use concrete walls (either CMU or poured in place) with rigid external mineral wool insulation, but I would do the roof the same, open cell against the deck. That way, no termite concerns below the roof deck. Methods like this are well known, but just about every builder will give you the 1000 yard stare when you start talking about it, or, worse yet, pretend like he knows what he is doing when he has no clue.
Everyone who works on the house talks about how pleasant it is to work in the attic.
However, the termite people don't like it. Since I have an existing termite bond there has been no problem yet, but I think new installations are having a tough time locally with the termite companies. You should look into that before you do anything at your house.
If I built again I would use spray foam again. If I ever build again, I will use concrete walls (either CMU or poured in place) with rigid external mineral wool insulation, but I would do the roof the same, open cell against the deck. That way, no termite concerns below the roof deck. Methods like this are well known, but just about every builder will give you the 1000 yard stare when you start talking about it, or, worse yet, pretend like he knows what he is doing when he has no clue.
Everyone who works on the house talks about how pleasant it is to work in the attic.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 7:08 am to otowntiger
Aside from the other feedback you have gotten, attic spaces that are spray foamed require sealed combustion gas appliances. So, if you already have a gas furnace and/or other mechanicals that use gas in the attic, chances are they are not sealed combustion and would need to be replaced.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 7:54 am to otowntiger
Doing a renovation on a house that has full spray foam. Currently tearing out a section of exterior wall (including all framing) because of an unknown leak under a window. Could not tell at all because all of the water was sealed outside and everything including the 2x6 studs were completely rotten. The screws holding the drywall were rusted off. Imagine if that was the roof.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:28 am to Coon
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Imagine if that was the roof.
I had a lot of trouble with my builder and he cut corners on my roof. There was no ice and water shield, no drip ledge, not starter shingles, and on one of the edges there was a strip with no underlayment. That roof lasted about ten years. I reroofed in 2023. The only damage was due to crappy water management details in the flashing and the issues above. There was only one small part that was over the foam and the roofers were able to cut away the sheathing without damaging the foam underneath too much, then replace the sheathing. That's not ideal, and would be worrisome up North, but not so much at coastal Alabama. I watch that one spot. I did, however, use Ice and Water shield over my entire roof deck instead of underlayment. That means I have a self-adhered, self-healing membrane under all of my shingles. The extra cost was less than $1000, essentially just the material cost difference between underlayment and Ice and Water Sheild.
A lot of roofing philosophy is based on stuff that happens with snow and ice and vapor transmission up North. Down here, we are always most worried about massive water intrusion from outside, plus the sun down here is going to drive any moisture accumulated in your roof sheathing out for most of the year.
I have open cell foam, closed cell is a different dynamic because the closed cell is a vapor barrier and the open cell isn't . The Ice and Water shield is a vapor barrier too, and I believe many roof underlaynemts used here are. There's a lot of things to consider.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:46 pm to GeauxldMember
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Aside from the other feedback you have gotten, attic spaces that are spray foamed require sealed combustion gas appliances. So, if you already have a gas furnace and/or other mechanicals that use gas in the attic, chances are they are not sealed combustion and would need to be replaced.
I don't know what the code is, but some people just leave a vent in the in the attic to allow make up air from the outside. You could use an electric damper to only open it when the heater is operating. May be a code violation these days.
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