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Replacing furnace or whole system

Posted on 11/18/22 at 4:56 pm
Posted by gorillacoco
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
5318 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 4:56 pm
Found out this wk that my furnace has a major problem (started tripping the flame rollout switch) and according to the ac repairman needs to be replaced due to a crack in the heat exchanger. He said he could not see a crack but determined there was one by process of elimination (checked the gas pressure at 3.0in h20 when running and 6.5in when stopped, checked the exhaust for blockage by removing the vent temporarily while running, and cleaned the metal gas channels between the incoming line and the heat exchanger). When running, the front of the furnace gets too hot to touch, so I also know it’s not the sensor itself.

Anyway they told me that after first of the yr any new systems installed will have to meet higher efficiency ratings (16 seer), and if I replace only the furnace now, and if I later have to replace the outside unit, it’s not clear how compatible they will be. So I’m left choosing whether to replace the furnace (appx 3500) or the whole system (appx 10500). The old system has a mfr date of 2010. Also if it’s relevant it looks like some prev work was done that is kind of dubious (one of the two rollout switches was not present and I guess is jumpered across), and I replaced the contactor on the outside compressor earlier this summer bc it went bad.

I’m looking for advice on what to do. Furnace or whole system? Get a second opinion?
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29860 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 5:58 pm to
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Replacing furnace or whole system


if its cracked your co2 detector would be going off non stop

if i had to guess i would look at the induction draft fan, it may have an issue

that guy sounds clueless and isnt trained well, he is just not knowing what is wrong, and the easy thing to do is tell you to buy a new heater so he gets the sales commission

you need to get someone else that knows what they are doing to look at it

PS - i have 35 years working in the HVAC industry
This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 7:11 pm
Posted by rd9820
Member since Nov 2022
7 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 6:04 pm to
Even if your heat exchanger is cracked, it may or may not put out CO. If it’s tripping the rollout and the exchanger isn’t stopped up and is venting correctly, it has a hole(s) in it. Just replace the exchanger
Posted by rd9820
Member since Nov 2022
7 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 6:12 pm to
Or replace the furnace and when the condenser bites the dust replace it and the evaporator if it is not 410 rated.
Posted by rd9820
Member since Nov 2022
7 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 6:28 pm to
What brand is it? Several have 20 year exchanger warranties. Some even have lifetime warranties
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 7:23 pm to
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Several have 20 year exchanger warranties.

This the norm - HVAC gas heat exchangers have a 20-year warranty, so if you are the original purchaser of the unit and the system was registered with the manufacturer by you or the installer the heat exchanger would be covered by warranty but not the labor.

Was a combustion analysis of the flue gases performed by the tech? If not, I agree with keakar - you should get a 2nd opinion from a another company that will also do combustion analysis. .

Do you know if you have a R-22 or R-410A refrigerant HVAC system? I believe 2010 is the last year R-22 systems were manufactured. Alhough the refrigerant type has nothing to do with the function of the gas furnace, it might be a consideration in whether I would replace the the entire or make a major repair. Average life of a HVAC in the Deep South is considered to be 13 to 15 years.

Starting Jan 1, 2023 minimum SEER 15, not SEER 16, systems must be installed in the South & Southwest.
This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted by rd9820
Member since Nov 2022
7 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 8:42 pm to
Another thing to consider is why did it crack if it is. It is rare for a heat exchanger on a split system to go bad especially that soon. Could be an airflow problem ie improperly installed\sized
Posted by gorillacoco
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
5318 posts
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:41 pm to
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if you are the original purchaser of the unit and the system was registered with the manufacturer by you or the installer the heat exchanger would be covered by warranty but not the labor.


Unfortunately I am not the original purchaser. From reading online I am guessing it would be in the range of $1500 to replace the heat exchanger.

quote:

Another thing to consider is why did it crack if it is. It is rare for a heat exchanger on a split system to go bad especially that soon. Could be an airflow problem ie improperly installed\sized


I am also concerned about this. It appears some jerry-rigging was done on the system in the past (one of the roll out switches was missing/jumpered) and I am concerned about replacing only the heat exchanger just to have it crack again in short order.

I think I need a second opinion to confirm if the exchanger is actually cracked; does anyone have an HVAC contact they would recommend?
Posted by GeneralLeeAwesome
Chalmette
Member since Aug 2017
554 posts
Posted on 11/21/22 at 8:34 pm to
Go pull your heat exchanger out and inspect it yourself. Take pictures of the wiring. Disconnect and it’s just a few screws to slide it out. Also if it’s a decent sized crack or hole you can tell by the flame.
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