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Replacing a small halogen bulb with an LED
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:11 am
So I've got a ceiling fixture in my kitchen that we installed when we built in 2004 and it uses 3 halogen T4 E11 mini candelabra base bulbs at 150W a piece. One burned out the other day, and when I went to remove the housing for the bulbs I was reminding just how freaking hot this thing is! when I opened it, I removed the dead bulb and noticed even the other 2 are partially melted...and since I have no interest in burning my house down I'm looking for an LED replacement.
Issue is I'm running into a problem trying to find an LED equivalent for these little bastards. We really like the fixture and would prefer not to replace it, so LEDs seem like the way to go.
Anyone here with some lighting knowledge willing to give a primer on lumens, brightness, etc. here? I have found ZERO 150W equivalent LED bulbs in this size...but is it feasible to produce as much light with a bulb designed for a lower wattage equivalent? From what I understand, LED use 10% the power, so a 10W LED produces roughly the equivalent of a 100W incandescent...but this may be wrong. This is the main light in the kitchen with a 10' ceiling which only hangs about a foot or so down, so it needs to be bright.
Anyone got any suggestions or have run into this issue? Thanks.
Issue is I'm running into a problem trying to find an LED equivalent for these little bastards. We really like the fixture and would prefer not to replace it, so LEDs seem like the way to go.
Anyone here with some lighting knowledge willing to give a primer on lumens, brightness, etc. here? I have found ZERO 150W equivalent LED bulbs in this size...but is it feasible to produce as much light with a bulb designed for a lower wattage equivalent? From what I understand, LED use 10% the power, so a 10W LED produces roughly the equivalent of a 100W incandescent...but this may be wrong. This is the main light in the kitchen with a 10' ceiling which only hangs about a foot or so down, so it needs to be bright.
Anyone got any suggestions or have run into this issue? Thanks.
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Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:21 am to GeauxTigerTM
Can you find any part number on the halogen bulbs?
If so, try cross referencing them with an LED.
I had track lighting in my man cave to light up my dart boards and had halogen bulbs in them for years. They put out ungodly amounts of heat, and like you found out, get skin searing hot.
I replaced them with LED bulbs and it's a game changer---no heat and I can touch the bulb with the light being on and not char the skin on my fingers.
ETA: Any lighting places near you. If so, give them a try to see if they can find a replacement.
If so, try cross referencing them with an LED.
I had track lighting in my man cave to light up my dart boards and had halogen bulbs in them for years. They put out ungodly amounts of heat, and like you found out, get skin searing hot.
I replaced them with LED bulbs and it's a game changer---no heat and I can touch the bulb with the light being on and not char the skin on my fingers.
ETA: Any lighting places near you. If so, give them a try to see if they can find a replacement.
This post was edited on 12/20/21 at 10:27 am
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:54 am to gumbo2176
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Can you find any part number on the halogen bulbs?
Nah, but this is definitely the type I replaced it with the last time I replaced one a few years ago. Not sure why it didn't occur to me to switch them out then, but whatever.
The halogen model and wattage is easy to find at Home Depot or wherever, but my issue is trying to find the LED equivalent. Closet I'm seeing anywhere are ones that are 75W or 100W replacements, and the reviews seem to be hit or miss. I did find this one, but they are out of the 4000K which seems like the right color for the kitchen but maybe the 3000Ks would work.
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It's a full 1.5" longer than the halogen, but the fixture could accommodate that due to its shape.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 11:11 am to gumbo2176
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ETA: Any lighting places near you. If so, give them a try to see if they can find a replacement.
Yeah...did that this morning before trying here.
They confirmed the type of bulb base I'd need, etc but they didn't have anything and were not able to order anything. They did agree that the heat was an issue and told me that building codes apparently don't even allow for these types of fixtures to be installed in new houses or whatever any more...so that's great.
But I figured I'd check here to see if anyone had run into this particular issue before. Hell...this board is pretty awesome. A poster literally found a member's missing brother the other night on The OT, so I figured a light bulb would be cake.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 1:49 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Modern lighting is not about wattage. It's about brightness (lumens) and color temperature (Kelvin - K). High K is white down to lower K which is more yellow. Your light was 2800 lumens so try to find one similar and the K temperature that matches.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 1:49 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Can you see the bulbs at all, if not maybe use a socket adapter and just get a different type of bulb.
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Posted on 12/20/21 at 2:18 pm to kengel2
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Can you see the bulbs at all, if not maybe use a socket adapter and just get a different type of bulb.
This was a very cool idea and I did some quick measurements to see if it was possible. The adapter is roughly 2 5/8" long, though a portion of it would be screwed into the fixture.
Found a bulb which would produce the roughly 2800 lumens the stupid halogen did...
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It's roughly 5" in length. Even accounting for the twice the bulbs/adapters are being screwed into each other the overall length ends up being over 6", which is the limit of space I have inside of the dome that covers the fixture! Which sucks, because this looked like a solid fix maybe...
Might be looking at replacing the fixture because I want no part in putting those freakin' halogen bulbs up there again.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 2:28 pm to GeauxTigerTM
They make other adapters, that was just the first one I googled.
A new light fixture might be the easiest thing though.
A new light fixture might be the easiest thing though.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 3:04 pm to kengel2
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They make other adapters, that was just the first one I googled.
Thanks...I poked around a bit also looking to see if I could find anything else significantly smaller but couldn't. The reverse are smaller (E26 to E11) obviously.
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A new light fixture might be the easiest thing though.
Once I factor in the price of new bulbs, potentially adapters, and waiting for however long for them to come in, it's probably the way to go.
Thanks all who chimed in.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:07 pm to GeauxTigerTM
This site 1000bulbs.com has 150W equivalent LED bulbs, but they all have a standard Edison base. Change your fixture sockets and these might work.
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