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Headlight restoration the right or at least the Obtuse way
Posted on 8/14/24 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 8/14/24 at 10:28 pm
There was a headlight restoration thread here recently I didn't see at the time so I thought I would start one to pontificate. I have followed the issue for years on car and detailer forums and I have built what I think is a foolproof method to quickly and easily get a near-flawless headlight lens without a ton of work and it is also basically permanent. The lack of a lasting fix is what turns a lot of people off. If you "watch to the end of the video"
I will tell you the secret ingredient to produce a lasting result and you can use it from new and never have to worry about restoring headlight lens at least based on the internet and my personal experience. I use it from day one on a new car now and it costs me about 15 mins and 9 bucks a car per year to maintain. I do it along with paint correction and ceramic coat in the first couple of weeks of ownership.
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In the other thread I saw two things that stuck out.
First, just buy a replacement set, the Chinese ones are cheap. They are cheap but this method is cheaper and just as quick as replacement and you still maintain the OE quality reflector inside, or maybe you trust China to get it right for cheap. The other issue with replacement is sealed LED units are starting to get to the age they need restoration and the OE versions are usually over a grand each!
Second, was we need to go back to glass. We could but car designers would be really limited in the shapes they could use, today the sketch pad is limited only by imagination and the price point of the car. Plus polycarbonates are actually more optically clear.
At this point I have done, if my count is right, 28 sets for myself and family/friends and everyone of them still looks great, the oldest is 7-8 years in on a 20 yo car. My payment is a good meal and my requirement is they buy the EXACT products I tell them to. The problem with every kit I have seen is they either start too fine or finish too coarse and none of the decent ones have the secret sauce. My process requires 4 different items and I will give Amazon links (no affiliate links because I am pure of heart on my OT DIY channel!) but everything is available from multiple sources.
I am going to go through the steps now and will discuss the products to buy when their step comes up. Don't skip steps!
The stuff you will need that you probably have and don't buy specifically for the job
1. a drill or 3" polisher I prefer a 12v drill because they are light and easy to handle
2. some clean microfiber clothes which I assume in 2024 everyone has
3. a small water bucket
4. some 50/50 mix of water and 70% isopropyl alcohol if you have 90% handly just add more water to make it 35% you can use it in a sprayer or just in a bottle, I prefer it in a bottle
5. some paper towels
Step 1
If you are older than 35 or just don't like to work the crap out of your back put the front end of the car on ramps. For most people and most vehicles, it produces a much more ergonomic work area, I am 57 and can do it either way but prefer it on ramps, the extra 5 minutes is a non-issue for the benefit. It also keeps you more comfortable which means you are likely not to short a step.
Step 2
Mask off the headlights. If your headlights run along the hood in places raise the hood it means less work and less tape. I tend to do one headlight at a time because it allows me to stand back and see the fruits of my labor when I finish the first one and keeps me from constant repetition of the steps. Don't use one of those 10 rolls of blue tape you have in your garage buy tape formulated to be used on car paint. If you rip off some clearcoat don't come back bitching at me. My preference for easy to source quality tape is the yellow 3M car refinishing tape. Amazon
When you mask off use at least 2 layers and at least 3 layers around places where there are sharp corners in the lens. You will hit the tape at some point, make sure you don't end up in the paint!
Step 3
The kit you will need to buy Amazon
This is the most complete inexpensive kit I have found and it has quality 3M abrasives. I only use 3M, Klingspor, or Miraka abrasives for any job. If you get cheap Chinese abrasives a handful of oversized grit on a pad can ruin the scratch pattern and make it impossible to do a correct progression.
For this step you need to use the drill pad adaptor and one of the 500 grit discs.
Some people will say to wet sand, don't. It has its place on thin high quality paint but here it just slows you down and makes it harder to gauge if you have a uniform scratch pattern. Use the drill at full speed for all the steps and keep light pressure on the disc. In a perfect world you want the foam interface pad to be about 50% compressed. This job is rather fool proof so just don't ham fist it, let the tool do the work. I like to take two slow full lens passes horizontally overlapping intermixed with two slow overlapping full lens vertical passes. Before I take stock in my progress.
The 500 grit step is often the one people short. After the above, I wipe off the lens with water and a microfiber cloth to see where I am at. You want to make sure all the yellowing is gone and any deep scratches are barely visible, if they really catch your finger nail repeat at least one pass each direction checking after until you have those scratches and stone bruises almost perfectly leveled out.
When you are finished with the 500, remove the pad holder and pad from the from the drill and use it to manually go over the lens in a large swirling manner to even out the scratch pattern. You can use a small manual sanding pad holder but make sure it has a foam interface pad, a lot of the cheap ones do not.
Then wipe off with water and microfiber to remove the dust and any broken/stray grit. What you are looking for at this stage is a lens that is translucent and basically even white across the whole lens. You don't want any scratches left. When you get here you are ready for the next step. I tend to use one 500 disc per lens but if you feel like the cutting is slowing down put a fresh one on. Note that water or sweat on the lens will tend to foul the disc with gooey poly dust so keep it dry, these are not wet sanding discs!
This takes a lot less time to do than to read.

Please like and subscribe if you found this video helpful.

In the other thread I saw two things that stuck out.
First, just buy a replacement set, the Chinese ones are cheap. They are cheap but this method is cheaper and just as quick as replacement and you still maintain the OE quality reflector inside, or maybe you trust China to get it right for cheap. The other issue with replacement is sealed LED units are starting to get to the age they need restoration and the OE versions are usually over a grand each!
Second, was we need to go back to glass. We could but car designers would be really limited in the shapes they could use, today the sketch pad is limited only by imagination and the price point of the car. Plus polycarbonates are actually more optically clear.
At this point I have done, if my count is right, 28 sets for myself and family/friends and everyone of them still looks great, the oldest is 7-8 years in on a 20 yo car. My payment is a good meal and my requirement is they buy the EXACT products I tell them to. The problem with every kit I have seen is they either start too fine or finish too coarse and none of the decent ones have the secret sauce. My process requires 4 different items and I will give Amazon links (no affiliate links because I am pure of heart on my OT DIY channel!) but everything is available from multiple sources.
I am going to go through the steps now and will discuss the products to buy when their step comes up. Don't skip steps!
The stuff you will need that you probably have and don't buy specifically for the job
1. a drill or 3" polisher I prefer a 12v drill because they are light and easy to handle
2. some clean microfiber clothes which I assume in 2024 everyone has
3. a small water bucket
4. some 50/50 mix of water and 70% isopropyl alcohol if you have 90% handly just add more water to make it 35% you can use it in a sprayer or just in a bottle, I prefer it in a bottle
5. some paper towels
Step 1
If you are older than 35 or just don't like to work the crap out of your back put the front end of the car on ramps. For most people and most vehicles, it produces a much more ergonomic work area, I am 57 and can do it either way but prefer it on ramps, the extra 5 minutes is a non-issue for the benefit. It also keeps you more comfortable which means you are likely not to short a step.
Step 2
Mask off the headlights. If your headlights run along the hood in places raise the hood it means less work and less tape. I tend to do one headlight at a time because it allows me to stand back and see the fruits of my labor when I finish the first one and keeps me from constant repetition of the steps. Don't use one of those 10 rolls of blue tape you have in your garage buy tape formulated to be used on car paint. If you rip off some clearcoat don't come back bitching at me. My preference for easy to source quality tape is the yellow 3M car refinishing tape. Amazon
When you mask off use at least 2 layers and at least 3 layers around places where there are sharp corners in the lens. You will hit the tape at some point, make sure you don't end up in the paint!
Step 3
The kit you will need to buy Amazon
This is the most complete inexpensive kit I have found and it has quality 3M abrasives. I only use 3M, Klingspor, or Miraka abrasives for any job. If you get cheap Chinese abrasives a handful of oversized grit on a pad can ruin the scratch pattern and make it impossible to do a correct progression.
For this step you need to use the drill pad adaptor and one of the 500 grit discs.
Some people will say to wet sand, don't. It has its place on thin high quality paint but here it just slows you down and makes it harder to gauge if you have a uniform scratch pattern. Use the drill at full speed for all the steps and keep light pressure on the disc. In a perfect world you want the foam interface pad to be about 50% compressed. This job is rather fool proof so just don't ham fist it, let the tool do the work. I like to take two slow full lens passes horizontally overlapping intermixed with two slow overlapping full lens vertical passes. Before I take stock in my progress.
The 500 grit step is often the one people short. After the above, I wipe off the lens with water and a microfiber cloth to see where I am at. You want to make sure all the yellowing is gone and any deep scratches are barely visible, if they really catch your finger nail repeat at least one pass each direction checking after until you have those scratches and stone bruises almost perfectly leveled out.
When you are finished with the 500, remove the pad holder and pad from the from the drill and use it to manually go over the lens in a large swirling manner to even out the scratch pattern. You can use a small manual sanding pad holder but make sure it has a foam interface pad, a lot of the cheap ones do not.
Then wipe off with water and microfiber to remove the dust and any broken/stray grit. What you are looking for at this stage is a lens that is translucent and basically even white across the whole lens. You don't want any scratches left. When you get here you are ready for the next step. I tend to use one 500 disc per lens but if you feel like the cutting is slowing down put a fresh one on. Note that water or sweat on the lens will tend to foul the disc with gooey poly dust so keep it dry, these are not wet sanding discs!
This takes a lot less time to do than to read.
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 2:08 am
Posted on 8/14/24 at 10:28 pm to Obtuse1
Step 4
Switch over to the 800 grit disc and repeat the exact process as with the previous grit. When you are done you should have a slightly more transparent lens with a smooth still milky look. You should not be able to find any scratches that even slightly catch your nail.
Step 5
Switch to the 3M Trizact Refining Disc, it is 3000 grit and 1 should last for 4 lens but do not get it fouled with water or sweat on the lens. Repeat the process as with the previous disc. By the end of this step you are beginning to have a transparent lens again with a uniform scratch pattern. This is almost good enough for government work.
Step 6
It is time to start polishing. Here is where the 3M kits is lacking. They give you a small packet of rubbing compound but it is too coarse to finish IMO and they don't give you enough. It may be enough for two lenses on most cars IF you started with a primed pad but most of it is going to be used to priming the pad. I recommend buying a 16oz bottle of finer polish, it will take you a little longer to get the perfect finish but you will have plenty and it will take less time that doing two steps overall with rubbing compund then polishing. There are two excellent products a 3M product that used to be called hard lens polish but they changed the name, I will track it down if anyone just wants the best but it is over twice the cost of the Chemical Guys version and not that much better. My recommendation is the Chemical Guys Headlight Restore and Protect Amazon
Put the orange waffle pad on, it is helpful to dampen the pad and squeeze out all the excess water this helps with the pad priming and keeps you from dry polishing. It is the same process you use with the pads during paint correction. Then put 4-5 large dollops of the polish on it. Dab it around on the lens so it doesn't sling off when you start. Don't be surprised if you only get through half the lens on the first pass and need more. Instead of the 4 total overlapping passes I like to start with 6 (3 vert/3hor). Keep the pad nice and juicy with polish. When I am done with the 6 passes I wipe it down and it should be nearly perfectly clear. Repeat if needed. If you have some defects that stick out at this point you are going to have to go back to a coarser grit and move back up. You can do it in just one area but if you are vigilant you would have caught it before you moved on.
So now you should have a lens that is damn near off the lot quality. Note that with a little more effort and a high-speed polisher you can actually get a lens that is more optically clear than it was new. This method is the 90% method.
Step 7
The secret sauce. The biggest problem with restoration systems is they don't provide a finish coating. There have been numerous recommendations for toppers but they all seem to fail quickly. People hate the systems because an un-top coated lens fogs up quickly or the top coat fails prematurely. Get this: McGuiers Keep Clear Headlight Coating. Amazon
The last step is to spray a medium wet coat on the lens and let it dry for about 5 mins. Then spray another medium wet coat and 5 minutes later it will be dry to the touch. Carefully remove your tape, try not to drive for several hours and you are done.
This is the miracle product, just recoat the headlight every year and IME and that of posters on car and detail forums suggest it is a permanent solution and if you start from day one you will never have to refinish the lens if you don't get deep scratches in them. The can will coat four lens so it is economical as well, rare for those miracle products.
At current prices as long as you have the basic stuff around the total is $64.91 on Amazon and has enough product to do at least 2 sets of lenses unless you have really bad damage and need more 500 grit discs, I have yet to need more. I would honestly rather do this than switch the headlight assemblies on most cars.
Switch over to the 800 grit disc and repeat the exact process as with the previous grit. When you are done you should have a slightly more transparent lens with a smooth still milky look. You should not be able to find any scratches that even slightly catch your nail.
Step 5
Switch to the 3M Trizact Refining Disc, it is 3000 grit and 1 should last for 4 lens but do not get it fouled with water or sweat on the lens. Repeat the process as with the previous disc. By the end of this step you are beginning to have a transparent lens again with a uniform scratch pattern. This is almost good enough for government work.
Step 6
It is time to start polishing. Here is where the 3M kits is lacking. They give you a small packet of rubbing compound but it is too coarse to finish IMO and they don't give you enough. It may be enough for two lenses on most cars IF you started with a primed pad but most of it is going to be used to priming the pad. I recommend buying a 16oz bottle of finer polish, it will take you a little longer to get the perfect finish but you will have plenty and it will take less time that doing two steps overall with rubbing compund then polishing. There are two excellent products a 3M product that used to be called hard lens polish but they changed the name, I will track it down if anyone just wants the best but it is over twice the cost of the Chemical Guys version and not that much better. My recommendation is the Chemical Guys Headlight Restore and Protect Amazon
Put the orange waffle pad on, it is helpful to dampen the pad and squeeze out all the excess water this helps with the pad priming and keeps you from dry polishing. It is the same process you use with the pads during paint correction. Then put 4-5 large dollops of the polish on it. Dab it around on the lens so it doesn't sling off when you start. Don't be surprised if you only get through half the lens on the first pass and need more. Instead of the 4 total overlapping passes I like to start with 6 (3 vert/3hor). Keep the pad nice and juicy with polish. When I am done with the 6 passes I wipe it down and it should be nearly perfectly clear. Repeat if needed. If you have some defects that stick out at this point you are going to have to go back to a coarser grit and move back up. You can do it in just one area but if you are vigilant you would have caught it before you moved on.
So now you should have a lens that is damn near off the lot quality. Note that with a little more effort and a high-speed polisher you can actually get a lens that is more optically clear than it was new. This method is the 90% method.
Step 7
The secret sauce. The biggest problem with restoration systems is they don't provide a finish coating. There have been numerous recommendations for toppers but they all seem to fail quickly. People hate the systems because an un-top coated lens fogs up quickly or the top coat fails prematurely. Get this: McGuiers Keep Clear Headlight Coating. Amazon
The last step is to spray a medium wet coat on the lens and let it dry for about 5 mins. Then spray another medium wet coat and 5 minutes later it will be dry to the touch. Carefully remove your tape, try not to drive for several hours and you are done.
This is the miracle product, just recoat the headlight every year and IME and that of posters on car and detail forums suggest it is a permanent solution and if you start from day one you will never have to refinish the lens if you don't get deep scratches in them. The can will coat four lens so it is economical as well, rare for those miracle products.
At current prices as long as you have the basic stuff around the total is $64.91 on Amazon and has enough product to do at least 2 sets of lenses unless you have really bad damage and need more 500 grit discs, I have yet to need more. I would honestly rather do this than switch the headlight assemblies on most cars.
This post was edited on 8/14/24 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 8/15/24 at 8:02 am to Obtuse1
What a great, informative post. Thank you, I’ve been wanting to do this.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 8:05 am to Obtuse1
Salute to you for taking the time to write all of that with nice detail and provide the links.
If I had a car that needed it, I'd certainly try your method.

If I had a car that needed it, I'd certainly try your method.

Posted on 8/15/24 at 8:38 am to Obtuse1
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McGuiers Keep Clear Headlight Coating
That stuff is legit. Never gone wrong.
Nice write up!
I have an older X5 that had some build up and I tried one lens with the 3M w/polisher and one lens with regular Colgate and both turned out more or less the same in terms of clarity

Posted on 8/15/24 at 9:12 am to Obtuse1
quote:
“It makes no sense to me. You’re progressive in one way and you’re still making that f—ing backwards story about seven dwarfs living in a cave together, what the f— are you doing, man?” said Dinklage, who has a form of dwarfism called achondroplasia, during an interview on the WTF With Marc Maron podcast.
From what I understand, Step 7 is the most vital step. That's what keeps the lens clear. You can refinish the lens in a few ways, but you always have to seal it.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:04 am to Obtuse1
Great post. Not reading it all though.
Tldr: all you are really doing is wet sanding the headlights and the important step is to add the proper protectant/ preventative at the end.
Tldr: all you are really doing is wet sanding the headlights and the important step is to add the proper protectant/ preventative at the end.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:21 am to Obtuse1
Now, for the 10 second, used car dealership "trick of the trade"
It will magically clear up the lenses in less than 5 minutes, but only lasts about 6 months. Also, it doesn't hurt the surrounding paint job.
You won't get the clarity of polishing, but it's a cheap fix that works.

It will magically clear up the lenses in less than 5 minutes, but only lasts about 6 months. Also, it doesn't hurt the surrounding paint job.
You won't get the clarity of polishing, but it's a cheap fix that works.

Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:38 am to Shexter
I must be alone in the world as a 58yr old man who has never, not once, polished or needed to polish a vehicle headlight
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:25 pm to cgrand
"I must be alone in the world as a 58yr old man who has never, not once, polished or needed to polish a vehicle headlight"
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How often do you buy a new car?
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How often do you buy a new car?
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:53 pm to ItzMe1972
just counted, i've purchased 7 vehicles new since 1990. 34/7 is 4.85; so every 5 years ish. my wifes ride is a 2012
Posted on 8/15/24 at 3:50 pm to cgrand
quote:
just counted, i've purchased 7 vehicles new since 1990. 34/7 is 4.85; so every 5 years ish. my wifes ride is a 2012
It also helps if the car is parked in the shade a lot. UV light from the sun is what deteriorates the plastic headlights quickly.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:45 pm to baldona
quote:
Tldr: all you are really doing is wet sanding the headlights and the important step is to add the proper protectant/ preventative at the end.
First to emphasize the point do NOT wet sand. Wet sanding polycarbonate produces too much gooey swarf and will foul the abrasives extremely quickly. It is also not needed in any way here if you are using the correct progression it just wastes abrasives, slows the process and makes it harder to gauge the timing of progression between grits.
Yes, it is simply using a correct progression of grit for the process. The problem I found is most kits don't have a proper progression, either starting too fine or ending too coarse for a quality job. The 3M kit is the best inexpensive solution I have found just needing some more and finer polishing compound.
I made the post because a lot of people don't bother because of all the stories of wasted time and failure. I just put together what I think is a foolproof system to get good lasting results by absolutely standing on the shoulders of giants.
Just hoping I could nudge 1 or 2 people to do something that makes a huge difference in the look of a car and the amount of light available to see at night. It is a very satisfying project because the results are quick, stunning and cheap.
Another post I have considered making is regarding mechanical paint correction and how it dovetails with the mystery and marketing bullshite regarding ceramic coatings. I would bet 95% of consumers that do their own ceramic coating skip paint correction frankly because it is "scary" and arguably shrouding in mystery but it shouldn't be. With the right tools and products a first timer can do a very good job and not lock those scratches and swirls in for the life of the ceramic coating. While not as useful as the skill to change a tire a man that can confidently pick up a DA polisher turn it on and attack their car paint is just a tiny bit more of a "man". Not as much of a man as one that can do it with a rotary but those guys are gods among men.

Posted on 8/15/24 at 7:01 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
Not as much of a man as one that can do it with a rotary but those guys are gods among men.
Wool pad on a rotary is how I learned

I do prefer my DA and foam pads now though.
I think that would be an awesome one to do btw.
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 7:51 pm
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