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re: Gas Vs Electric Self Propelled Push Mower
Posted on 5/20/23 at 8:39 pm to Clames
Posted on 5/20/23 at 8:39 pm to Clames
quote:
I get it, more people just can't stand to get their soft hands dirty these days. I make quite a bit of money off those people too.
Sounds like your wife's boyfriend bought a Tesla and you're mad about it.
Again, this all comes down to everyone having different and unique situations.
Being able to flex about how you can maintain all your equipment isn't the flex you think it is.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:07 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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Being able to flex about how you can maintain all your equipment isn't the flex you think it is.
Vs flexing over not maintaining things? I'm sorry that basic skills have taken a dive over the last 40 years, you would rather tuck your little dick between your legs than grab a wrench but I would much rather be able to do more things in life than less. I get that some people would prefer to minimize the effort into maintaining their property, I enjoy such effort though.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:24 pm to Korkstand
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What are the benefits of gas tools?
Power
Temperature insensitivity
Refuel in seconds
More running time
Less weight (much better power-weight ratio)
No power degradation with running time
Generally still cheaper to buy unless getting commercial grade stuff.
Overall gas powered equipment is still faster so the whole time savings is basically a wash, less time with maintenance vs less time actually mowing, trimming, edging, blowing. If there are hedges to trim too then forget battery powered stuff, I tried a new Echo 56v hedge trimmer and it was gutless compared to my HC150.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:52 pm to Clames
quote:Not even close to the issue. I spent years in dirt track pits and the mechanic shop, and 20 years in a fab shop. I just don't want to deal with that shite to mow the lawn.
If all those little things break your little brain then just look away.
quote:Same here.
I take care of my stuff, I have the talent, education, and capability to maintain my houses and everything in them.
quote:Again same here, but I find more comfort in owning things that require less maintenance.
Just find comfort in knowing I can handle everything
quote:Again the math for me works out to ~$50/year worth of batteries. You don't think the time you spend maintaining your gas equipment is worth more than that?
putting a small amount of time into keeping gas-powered equipment running is no big deal, not a fraction of the effort you make it out to be.
quote:Just looked it up, looks very convenient.
Torque Channel did that already.
quote:Doubtful. I have a decent collection myself, and as mentioned I spent 20 years in a fab shop and have used a very wide variety of cordless, corded, and pneumatic hand tools as well as saws, presses, lathes, mills, cnc machines, cranes, forklifts, manlifts, trackhoes, dozers, etc. I've turned way more wrenches than you imagine I have.
I've got more cordless power tools in one corner of my shop than you could figure out how to use
quote:And a lot of us have zero use or interest in gas powered lawn equipment anymore.
I just have zero use or interest in battery powered lawn equipment.
quote:
I get it, more people just can't stand to get their soft hands dirty these days.

I've come home covered in dirt, oil, grease, gas/diesel, metal, fiberglass, blood (my own), concrete, and literal shite (not my own). Talk to somebody else about soft hands.
quote:I make most of my money these days off people like you.
I make quite a bit of money off those people too.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:56 pm to Clames
quote:Yeah I don't think you do get it because you are talking about soft hands and little dicks.
I get that some people would prefer to minimize the effort into maintaining their property
quote:Well have at it bro. If you'd like I can help you think of lots more ways to work harder instead of smarter.
I enjoy such effort though.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 11:24 pm to Clames
quote:Not an issue with Ego. It's a very rare occasion that I go full throttle with any of my tools.
Power
quote:Again not an issue. If it's cold enough to have any impact on battery performance then it's not lawn care season. The batteries warm up quick anyway.
Temperature insensitivity
quote:I guarantee I can swap 5 batteries before you refuel one tank.
Refuel in seconds
quote:I don't yet have a battery mower (and when I do it will probably be an armada of robo mowers), but I do maintain two lots totaling ~1.3 acres with several hundred feet of fence line to trim, several thousand linear feet of concrete edging, several thousand square feet of concrete to blow, 7 big oaks as well as a few dozen smaller trees to trim around, and I do it all with 2 Ego batteries and in 4 years I have never once had a battery run out of juice while I was working. I put the first battery on the charger with ~40% left and I get a fresh battery when I switch tools. The very smallest battery Ego makes (2.5ah) does all that trimming (I'd say about 30-40 minutes worth with all the walking) without coming close to draining. And the 5ah does all the edging and blowing without draining.
More running time
quote:This is just not true.
Less weight (much better power-weight ratio)
quote:Also not true. It's as if you've never used a lithium battery. You're also pretending that there aren't numerous potential issues that degrade power in a gas engine.
No power degradation with running time
quote:My Ego tools work faster than I can. I would have to jog around the yard to outpace them.
Overall gas powered equipment is still faster so the whole time savings is basically a wash, less time with maintenance vs less time actually mowing, trimming, edging, blowing.
quote:Maybe don't buy a battery tool from a gas tool company and don't buy a gas tool from a battery tool company. My Ego hedge trimmer does my ~50' of hedges as well as tidies up a couple of ~8' trees with no problem. And I do all of the trimming, edging, blowing, and hedge trimming without ever waiting a single second for a battery to charge.
If there are hedges to trim too then forget battery powered stuff, I tried a new Echo 56v hedge trimmer and it was gutless compared to my HC150.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 12:41 am to Clames
quote:
I get that some people would prefer to minimize the effort into maintaining their property, I enjoy such effort though.
No, you are boasting about working harder vs. smarter. You are intentionally making life more difficult at an equal or higher than cost for the sake of it.
It cuts the same as gas. Cutting ability is indicative of the blades and now the mower. Most good electric mowers are brushless and (as I've mentioned already) will increase motor speed to cut appropriately.
It's cool that you're able to do things with your hands. You're not wrong in that people nowadays are taking it "the easier way" but there is nothing wrong with paying for a product that has arguably more pros than cons vs. it's gas counterpart.
You must have Google translate on to a foreign language to some parts because clearly you can't read what has been posted. This isn't about "which is your preference". This is a forum where OP asked about the two types and two sides have given their performance abilities based on experience. "Gas good electric bad" is all you've provided to this discussion. Just shut up and move on.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 7:44 am to BilbeauTBaggins
I have an ego chainsaw, string trimmer, hedge trimmer, blower and now mower.
They are all rockstar and my only regret to date is buying the cheapest string trimmer they offered at the time.
At some point I'll upgrade that one to a carbon shaft.
For the first time in my life I felt comfortable throwing out all my redundant, backup versions of those tools.
Ego is that good. I took 3 string trimmers, one edger, a non working chainsaw and 4 hedge trimmers to goodwill that I had collected over the years. What a waste.
They are all rockstar and my only regret to date is buying the cheapest string trimmer they offered at the time.
At some point I'll upgrade that one to a carbon shaft.
For the first time in my life I felt comfortable throwing out all my redundant, backup versions of those tools.
Ego is that good. I took 3 string trimmers, one edger, a non working chainsaw and 4 hedge trimmers to goodwill that I had collected over the years. What a waste.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 7:57 am to Ziggy
Based on the performance of my Ryobi battery hedger and tire air pump performance I would not take a chance on battery power. Hedger lasts 20-30 minutes tops from the day I got it.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:28 am to zippyputt
How old is that Ryobi?
I too had a combination of corded, battery and gas tools and kept them because inevitably one would disappoint me and I'd go looking for a backup to finish the job.
My guess is you're jaded by having an old school battery tool which I agree with you never got the job done.
I sound like a fanboy and I guess I am but ego and probably it's peers are that good that you won't ever make that comment again.
There's a reason ego's motto is they're competing with gas tools; not other electric tools.
My life is so much more simplified now and I don't dread walking out and seeing a hedge sprouting anymore because it's literally a 2 minute process to grab a tool and fix it and not have to worry the battery is dead or untangle a 100' extension cord with 4 patches where I've sliced it in half over the years getting too aggressive with a hedge trimmer
or God forbid the hassle of firing up a gas-powered hedger to handle a simple task.
Eta I'm not a gas wrench like kork or clames so there's even odds it's not going to start because I left ethanol in it during the winter and it turned to corn syrup or forgot some other mundane task required like praying to the god of 2 stroke engines my tool will start.
I too had a combination of corded, battery and gas tools and kept them because inevitably one would disappoint me and I'd go looking for a backup to finish the job.
My guess is you're jaded by having an old school battery tool which I agree with you never got the job done.
I sound like a fanboy and I guess I am but ego and probably it's peers are that good that you won't ever make that comment again.
There's a reason ego's motto is they're competing with gas tools; not other electric tools.
My life is so much more simplified now and I don't dread walking out and seeing a hedge sprouting anymore because it's literally a 2 minute process to grab a tool and fix it and not have to worry the battery is dead or untangle a 100' extension cord with 4 patches where I've sliced it in half over the years getting too aggressive with a hedge trimmer

Eta I'm not a gas wrench like kork or clames so there's even odds it's not going to start because I left ethanol in it during the winter and it turned to corn syrup or forgot some other mundane task required like praying to the god of 2 stroke engines my tool will start.

This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/21/23 at 12:09 pm to CAD703X
I’ve never heard good about Ryobi especially in the earlier years of its battery powered lawn tools. Greenworks seems to be the better value brand right now.
With EGO, you get what you pay for. The price point is high but the tools work well. I don’t even mind that it’s all plastic. It’s tough and durable.
With EGO, you get what you pay for. The price point is high but the tools work well. I don’t even mind that it’s all plastic. It’s tough and durable.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 1:43 pm to CAD703X
My Ryobi hedger is 3 years I think. Used it 6-7 times tops. 30 mins max each time at on and off use of front yard hedges. 18v battery. I bought a Ryobi tire pump to use when I had a slow leak. 3 days of using it enough to pump up a tire for 4 minutes each day and it was done. I’m not paying another $80 so I can have 2 batteries.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 2:54 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
quote:
All I can offer is my neighbor had an electric and he just went and got a gas
Same for my neighbor. His was DeWalt
Posted on 5/21/23 at 2:56 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
quote:
All I can offer is my neighbor had an electric and he just went and got a gas
Same for my neighbor. His was DeWalt
Posted on 5/21/23 at 3:01 pm to zippyputt
The only 18volt battery equipment I have anymore is a ryobi string trimmer that I bought almost 8-9yeara ago and a bladed edger.
Everything else I have works on the 40v system. I probably won't purposefully buy any lawn equipment that's any less than 40v in the future. I have two hedge trimmers(pole trimmer and a regular) and a pole saw both 40v. I usually use a 2.5ah battery in them and I'm able to hedge my whole property in about an 1-1.5 hour and I haven't had any issues with the battery running out. If they were 18v though, I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to make through the whole yard. Most of the 18v are 1-1.5ah at most.
Everything else I have works on the 40v system. I probably won't purposefully buy any lawn equipment that's any less than 40v in the future. I have two hedge trimmers(pole trimmer and a regular) and a pole saw both 40v. I usually use a 2.5ah battery in them and I'm able to hedge my whole property in about an 1-1.5 hour and I haven't had any issues with the battery running out. If they were 18v though, I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to make through the whole yard. Most of the 18v are 1-1.5ah at most.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 3:38 pm to zippyputt
quote:I'm baffled as to why these companies even put out 18v lawn equipment. That's just not enough for that type of work. They tried to take advantage of the installed base of 18v batteries I guess.
My Ryobi hedger is 3 years I think. Used it 6-7 times tops. 30 mins max each time at on and off use of front yard hedges. 18v battery.
It's like putting a civic motor in an f350. Performance will be shite and you will get worse fuel mileage to boot.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:02 am to Korkstand
BUMP -
Two mows in and i'm ready to put the super recycler out on the street.
the battery did not last as long this time; i'm not sure if that's because i charged it a week ago and stuck on the wall. i'm still not well versed at battery maintenance. maybe i should leave it partially discharged when i'm done and then charge it up right before i mow.
the mower is doing a great job even w/ the grass longer than it should have been. my daughter had a party last night so i waited until 2 day before the party to mow so the yard would still look freshly cut.
i'm going to try charging it to 100% right before i mow for the next round and see if that makes any difference.
Two mows in and i'm ready to put the super recycler out on the street.
the battery did not last as long this time; i'm not sure if that's because i charged it a week ago and stuck on the wall. i'm still not well versed at battery maintenance. maybe i should leave it partially discharged when i'm done and then charge it up right before i mow.
the mower is doing a great job even w/ the grass longer than it should have been. my daughter had a party last night so i waited until 2 day before the party to mow so the yard would still look freshly cut.
i'm going to try charging it to 100% right before i mow for the next round and see if that makes any difference.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 3:54 pm to CAD703X
2nd bump. Regular yard today with little rain and only a week's worth of growth and I finished the entire backyard on one battery (see pic of yard).
Still had 1 bar left and it had just dropped from 2 bars to 1 when I finished.
Amazing.

Still had 1 bar left and it had just dropped from 2 bars to 1 when I finished.
Amazing.

This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 6/4/23 at 6:29 pm to CAD703X
Cool. A pint of no-e is $.50. 

Posted on 6/5/23 at 1:52 am to Ziggy
I bet this thing is a beast...


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