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Anyone ever had problems with building permits for a shop?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:08 pm
I’ve had a long and fun month dealing with the parish engineer on a set of general drawings for a tubular steel building that’s rated for 140mph wind speeds but has Risk category 1 on the drawings.
Essentially the firm who did the drawings is saying yeah, it’s good for 140+ but for us to put risk category 2 on the building you need site specifics which is $2500. No need to add anything to the building though. Sounds like a crock to me.
Anyone else had to deal with this before?
Essentially the firm who did the drawings is saying yeah, it’s good for 140+ but for us to put risk category 2 on the building you need site specifics which is $2500. No need to add anything to the building though. Sounds like a crock to me.
Anyone else had to deal with this before?
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Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:31 pm to tigerclaw10
the structural engineer at the building manufacturer has to stamp the drawings. His errors and omissions policy requires him to make the necessary calculations for your building to be certified as suitable for wind risk 2. Site specifications are a part of that. If he tells you it will cost more then it will cost more. It’s not a “crock” LOL
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:50 pm to cgrand
So when I asked if the engineer could instead give me confirmation that the building is already structurally designed to meet the criteria for the area why is that they couldn’t do that? I’m genuinely curious at this point. Seems like the building is already built to withstand the necessary loads and the only thing that would change is the paperwork.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:06 pm to tigerclaw10
Thankfully in the 'Sip, we don't do that permit stuff.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:30 am to tigerclaw10
quote:the paperwork requires work, and the work requires money. Whether that’s a good price or not I have no idea, just saying that’s what has to happen
the only thing that would change is the paperwork.
You don’t have to like it (I wouldn’t)
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:42 am to tigerclaw10
Does it cost more for site specific engineering: yes
Is it shady that your metal building supplier didn’t include that price up front if you told him all the details about your location: also yes
No one likes to get hit with a $2500 change order for paperwork.
Is it shady that your metal building supplier didn’t include that price up front if you told him all the details about your location: also yes
No one likes to get hit with a $2500 change order for paperwork.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:37 pm to tigerclaw10
You live in the city limits or next to a bunch of neighbors? Seems like you could build a building that isn’t huge without a permit if you aren’t endangering other people. I’m sure property tax will go up once the assessor gets that permit paperwork in his hands. I generally despise the permitting process for non-residential buildings that have zero chance of impacting other people.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:48 pm to AyyyBaw
permit is generally required for two reason
1) to make sure it is designed to wind code. You might not care if it blows down, but your neighbors might when it lands in their yard
2) new electrical service (meter)
Out in the boonies, it might not be an issue especially if you feed it from an existing service. Otherwise, in incorporated areas, you need a permit to construct an occupied space
1) to make sure it is designed to wind code. You might not care if it blows down, but your neighbors might when it lands in their yard
2) new electrical service (meter)
Out in the boonies, it might not be an issue especially if you feed it from an existing service. Otherwise, in incorporated areas, you need a permit to construct an occupied space
Posted on 4/19/24 at 5:19 pm to cgrand
I’m in a “subdivision” with 3 acre plats and farm land making up about 200 acres behind my piece of property. This shop is the first thing going on the property as I live in a subdivision down the road from this new property. Don’t have electricity yet even on the 3 acres. Trying to get some storage area now and at the end of the year I’ll put in a sewer, electricity, and water. Ended up paying for the site specifics.
All for the benefit of a shitter in my shop once we finally build a home out there
All for the benefit of a shitter in my shop once we finally build a home out there
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:48 pm to tigerclaw10
What does “site specifics” include?
The building itself may be structurally rated, but if the Risk Cat 2 requires more formal paperwork and uplift/foundation information that would generally be extra.
$2500 seems like a lot, unless they are including the site specific data collection and assessment.
Glad I didn’t need a permit for my building. Seems like a headache for little value gained.
The building itself may be structurally rated, but if the Risk Cat 2 requires more formal paperwork and uplift/foundation information that would generally be extra.
$2500 seems like a lot, unless they are including the site specific data collection and assessment.
Glad I didn’t need a permit for my building. Seems like a headache for little value gained.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:57 pm to tigerclaw10
quote:
to put risk category 2 on the building you need site specifics
That is correct.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:02 pm to LSUtigerME
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What does “site specifics” include?
Exposure, topography, elevation above see level, and maybe one of two more things. They can have a pretty significant affect on how the building performs in high winds.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 10:44 pm to junkfunky
I work large projects as an engineer (don’t have my stamp) so I see how much it typically costs per drawing. I’m certainly getting the short end of the stick but I have kicked and screamed and unfortunately I think I just gotta eat this one.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 5:08 pm to greenbean
quote:
Thankfully in the 'Sip, we don't do that permit stuff.
Man wish our area of the sip was like that. They hired a damn yankee in the permit office and they try and make it a little like the shithole he left. Thankfully once everything was submitted the inspector did a drive by yep that’s good kind of inspection and slapped me some green stickers.
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:32 am to tigerclaw10
My neighbor got permits for a carport cover and had it built. After the inspector signed off on the carport cover he came back and closed the walls in.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:11 am to CHEDBALLZ
The big issue was the plumbing. I am not even using it to live in but I want running water and a bathroom out there now for days when I go work on the property. Most people would have probably just skirted the rules. I didn't want to have to deal with it in the future.
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